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windinhishair · 61-69, M
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windinhishair · 61-69, M
@irishmolly72 Care to explain how you knew Maxine Waters was going to receive a suspicious package too????
Trump doesn't accept responsibility or blame for much of anything, which is a much bigger problem than whether his rhetoric is related to any specific incidents.
But, I think it's fair to say that he has participated in, and exacerbated the deterioration of the state of politics to the point where, even if he hadn't named the names of these particular targets of vigilantism, other people should question his responsibility.
Its not grounds for impeachment, but it's also not what we should expect from our President.
Of course, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he tweets something supportive of the terrorists, or hints at possibly pardoning them, but that's another issue for another day.
But, I think it's fair to say that he has participated in, and exacerbated the deterioration of the state of politics to the point where, even if he hadn't named the names of these particular targets of vigilantism, other people should question his responsibility.
Its not grounds for impeachment, but it's also not what we should expect from our President.
Of course, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if he tweets something supportive of the terrorists, or hints at possibly pardoning them, but that's another issue for another day.
SW-User
He bears some responsibility for the hostile climate that he's helped foster as do other politicians and talking heads who have followed him into the gutter. However, he does not bear responsibility for the direct actions of individuals. Those individuals own their own actions. Of course a decent human being and real leader would engage in self reflection and acknowledge his contribution to the hostility he has brought to political discourse in this country, but we all already know that the current president falls short of any standards of human decency and is incapable of self reflection.
Helpinghands · M
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@SW-User You make good points , but as far as I am concerned by his words and his actions he incites hatred and violence. When that manifests itself as it did today then he also bears some[b][/b] responsibility for it. To claim that it has absolutely nothing to do with him (as many will)is to be complicit in his little games.
SW-User
@RodionRomanovitch I'm definitely not saying he doesn't have a role as an influencer, because he clearly does. It's earned the name "bully pulpit" for a reason. I wouldn't absolve him for setting the tone that would inspire his fringe to do something like this. However, it's not like he mailed them himself or leaned into the car window of one of his brainwashed acolytes and said "do something witchy" like Manson did.
BitterSweetPotato · 31-35, F
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@BitterSweetPotato Exactly.
Graylight · 51-55, F
He's pandered to and stood complicity by white nationalist and supremacy groups since hitting the campaign trail. He's talked openly about minor violence at least, he's vilified everyone who's not a worshipping conservative.
If those responsible for the bombs have any ties whatsoever to those groups, then he absolutely bears responsibility.
If those responsible for the bombs have any ties whatsoever to those groups, then he absolutely bears responsibility.
Helpinghands · M
The idiot Trump sinks to new levels daily. He’s far too dumb to see the link between the hate filled lies he routinely spews out and today’s attempted acts of violent terrorism. Heaven help America, previous presidents of distinction on both sides must be turning in their graves as this vile and dangerous man drags his country ever further downward.
irishmolly72 · 56-60, F
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@GunSmoke9 Oh sorry , silly me .... I didn't realise they were the ones who sent the bombs.
GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M
@RodionRomanovitch We don't know who sent the bombs. Even it was some right wing nut job doesn't mean what I said about the leftist isn't true. Free speech is under attack from the left and from social media.
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@GunSmoke9 Just remind me who it is who calls the press the enemy of the people.
approachingmyexpirationdate · 61-69, M
@approachingmyexpirationdate Do you understand the term "responsibility"?
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout You really are a prick , stop embarrassing yourself.
SW-User
@MethDozer Agreed. He can be blamed for his role in the overall discourse, but he can't be directly blamed for how others react to it. He has millions of supporters who have never even considered mailing bombs. It would be like blaming The Beatles for the Manson Family murders even though millions of others heard "Helter Skelter" and did nothing.