I Was Taught How To Use A Gun

@JaggedLittlePill The only people who have a problem with social justice warriors are social [b]injustice[/b] warriors, I've found.

@JaggedLittlePill I care about them just like I care about everyone to some level. They just want to be apart of something and feel included. Social justice and socialism are just results of us against them/tribalism.

The same with white supremacists. I've seen black men talk to white racists and come out as friends.

We need to communicate whenever possible and be as respectful as possible even when we are not being respected. Though the violent ones should be met with greater violence.

@bijouxbroussard There is no social injustice. just injustice. Just like there is no reverse racism it is just racism.

@IAmMaster No, the opposite of social justice in this instance is social injustice. [b]Or[/b] there's only [b]justice[/b], too. You can't have it both ways. I agree that "reverse racism" doesn't exist, though.

@bijouxbroussard ok well I think we are just thinking of two different definitions of social justice. Do you mind defining it so we are on the same page?

@IAmMaster "Social justice" is anti-racism, anti-sexism, anti-homophobia, anti-bullying. Treating people with basic respect.

@bijouxbroussard Ok now I was looking at it as the equal outcome version of justice which is what you'd see most textbooks define it as. 'redistribution of wealth' reparations from one group of people to another. That's why I said there is no social justice because communism and socialism is an inherent evil from my perspective.

but yeah I still think your definition of social justice isn't a moral ideology that I would follow. I'm only basing that off of the antifa and black block groups that are essentially calling anyone they want a fascist, nazi, racist, homophobe and then attacking them.

I would argue we should be against the individual or group 'ACTIONS' of racism, sexism, bullying, and homophobia. Just remove the anti- part and put in non-racism. simply because those people who are bullies, homophones, racists, sexists are all made that way because of how they were raised or the environment they were in. It would be better to have a discussion than simply be anti-them.

@IAmMaster [quote]Social justice and socialism are just results of us against them/tribalism.[/quote]

Social Justice, and socialism, are not about tribalism. Fair distribution of wealth, privileges, health care, etc. in a society, is not a political movement or tribalism.

If the CEO of a fruit packing company, makes 1,000 more than a line worker, it is not a tribal issue, it's a social justice issue.

If the executive of a company, gest healthcare, and the line worker does not, it's not a tribal issue, it's a social justice issue.

If the executive of a company, gets maternity leave, and the line worker does not, it's a social justice issue.

Those with wealth and power, can claim that they made it on their own, but a simple fact check, reveals that this is not the case.

The education, industry, inventions, etc. that enabled their rise to the top, are all paid for with public money. In the case of the United States, that would be 250 years worth of public contributions, and add to that, all the land and resources we stole from the natives (a significant issue), and the economic/industrial strength, we gained through the free/slave labor, of the Africans who were sold as slaves to make that happen.

It's great that you took classes, but why would the population at large, waste all this time to get itself educated on how to use guns and how to carry guns. Lack of education, on how to use/carry/when to use/when to kill, etc., is not a factor, when it comes to how people, at large, feel about guns.

@IAmMaster Understand that "social justice" is not [b]our[/b] label, just like "politically correct" is not what [b]we[/b] call the idea of not discriminating against people for things like skin color, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation. These are names and judgments by those who resent being criticized for their prejudices and believe they should be able to continue calling ugly names and making bigoted jokes at other peoples' expense without consequences. In other words, we've [b][b]been[/b][/b] talking to them. Disparaging terms like "libtard", "sjw", "snowflake" have been [b]their[/b] derisive responses.

@Northwest ok let me be more specific. The motivations of socialism and for socialism are very much tribalism. Though I guess it could be looked at as greed as well in socialism.

"Lack of education, on how to use/carry/when to use/when to kill, etc., is not a factor, when it comes to how people, at large, feel about guns."
I would argue that it's the exact opposite. It effects how people view not only guns but also police. The lack of education effects people on both sides.

We have the gun owners that don't safely store, clean, or operate their guns. So they don't realize the danger and responsibility that comes behind owning a gun. There are several people who go into these classes thinking oh I'll get a concealed carry so I can walk around with a gun all the time. Then they take a 180 realizing it's not worth it. I would Also argue that the lack of education in gun owners, including police, greatly effects the views of non gun owners every time someone kills their self with a gun or is killed.

I've taken an ex-gf who hated guns to the shooting range and then she signed up for classes that day. She started saving up for a .22(low caliber round) rifle.

Exposure to things is very important. My sister used to complain a lot about little b.s. things but then she went to Haiti after they were hit with a the hurricane. She came back a different person.

@bijouxbroussard There are snowflakes out there. I've seen them screaming and behaving like children. I'm glad that we seem to be on the same page though. Talking is very important. Just be sure to realize when there is a pointless conversation. Like the person that commented on this story first . 'Harriet03' I wouldn't imagine ever having an adult conversation with that individual.

So I'm assuming you'd agree that talking first with respectable people, don't label other without meeting or talking to them first, and don't respond with violence unless violence is done to you?


I think if we both agree on those three things then we're on the same page just using terms differently.

@IAmMaster [quote]There are snowflakes out there. I've seen them screaming and behaving like children.[/quote]

Starting with [b]Trump[/b] and his childish temper tantrums via Twitter. Problem is, he's the president.

In my almost 60 years on this planet, I've spoken to all kinds of people. I've discussed all kinds of issues, on my own behalf and on that of others.

I've protested non-violently and been the target of violence. I think I know when the conversation is pointless by now. I can generally tell when the other person is not hearing me and moreover, not inclined to. And "respectable" is one of those relative terms that often depends on which side of the "fence" you're on.

@IAmMaster

[quote]ok let me be more specific. The motivations of socialism and for socialism are very much tribalism. Though I guess it could be looked at as greed as well in socialism.[/quote]

How do you figure that tribalism, or greed, is what drives socialism?

I said:

[quote]Lack of education, on how to use/carry/when to use/when to kill, etc., is not a factor, when it comes to how people, at large, feel about guns.[/quote]

and you responded with:

[quote]I would argue that it's the exact opposite. It effects how people view not only guns but also police. The lack of education effects people on both sides.[/quote]

So, what you're saying, is that if people learn how to use a gun, and safely handle it, they will no longer ask for gun control laws or the police? You do realize that these two issues are orthogonal, right?

[quote]We have the gun owners that don't safely store, clean, or operate their guns. So they don't realize the danger and responsibility that comes behind owning a gun.[/quote]

OK, what's this got to do with your conclusions? This only means that some people are prone to cause gun-related deaths/injuries, due to their carelessness.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.html

[quote]There were 489 people killed in unintentional shootings in the U.S. in 2015, the most recent year for which data is available. That was down from 824 deaths in 1999, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Taking into account population growth over that time, the rate fell 48%.[/quote]

Opposition to guns, and activism for tighter gun controls, has skyrocketed, while accidental gun deaths decreased nearly 50%. Goes counter to your theory.

[quote]There are several people who go into these classes thinking oh I'll get a concealed carry so I can walk around with a gun all the time. Then they take a 180 realizing it's not worth it. [/quote]

And? How's this relevant to your claims?

[quote]I would Also argue that the lack of education in gun owners, including police, greatly effects the views of non gun owners every time someone kills their self with a gun or is killed.[/quote]

You do realize, that accidental gun deaths, while reported in some local paper, just as other accidental deaths would, demands for better gun control, are driven by mass shootings, and criminal activity using guns.

[quote]I've taken an ex-gf who hated guns to the shooting range and then she signed up for classes that day. She started saving up for a .22(low caliber round) rifle. [/quote]

A couple of things:

1. A sample of one, is not statistically relevant.

2. So, your ex GF thinks of this as a video game? What's the significance here? What's she going to use her rifle for? BTW, I'm sure you realize that .223 is the caliber of rounds used nearly universally now, by all modern armies, rights?

[quote]Exposure to things is very important. My sister used to complain a lot about little b.s. things but then she went to Haiti after they were hit with a the hurricane. She came back a different person.[/quote]

I don't need to expose myself to radiation, to accept that radiation is bad for me. I would argue the opposite.

@Northwest
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[quote]How do you figure that tribalism, or greed, is what drives socialism?[/quote]

The point I was trying to make was not what drives socialism but what drives or pushes people towards socialism.
The tribal us against them. The lust for their wealth. Though I guess it would depend on the economic climate.

Russia was full of poor serfs that were starving, had no breed while their leaders were eating cake so they fell into socialism quite easily. It's still a greed for what others have, though it's justified in that instance. In America we seem to be having lots of socialists popping up in the millennial generation. I think it's because they are taught the use against them idea. I've seen many college professors teaching pathetic economics(communism) in their lectures.


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[quote]I would argue that it's the exact opposite. It effects how people view not only guns but also police. The lack of education effects people on both sides.[/quote]

is not the same as

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[quote]
So, what you're saying, is that if people learn how to use a gun, and safely handle it, they will no longer ask for gun control laws or the police? You do realize that these two issues are orthogonal, right?[/quote]




What theory? I said people's REACTIONS will change if they understood or took educational classes and were shown how to shoot at a gun range.
you-
[quote]Opposition to guns, and activism for tighter gun controls, has skyrocketed, while accidental gun deaths decreased nearly 50%. Goes counter to your theory.[/quote]




I said .22(twenty-two) not .223(two twenty-three)
me-
[quote]
I've taken an ex-gf who hated guns to the shooting range and then she signed up for classes that day. She started saving up for a .22(low caliber round) rifle.[/quote]

you-
[quote]
A couple of things:

1. A sample of one, is not statistically relevant.

2. So, your ex GF thinks of this as a video game? What's the significance here? What's she going to use her rifle for? BTW, I'm sure you realize that .223 is the caliber of rounds used nearly universally now, by all modern armies, rights?[/quote]






In this I was just describing the process of maturing through profound experiences. Eye opening events. Things like that.
me-
[quote]Exposure to things is very important. My sister used to complain a lot about little b.s. things but then she went to Haiti after they were hit with a the hurricane. She came back a different person.[/quote]

you-
[quote]I don't need to expose myself to radiation, to accept that radiation is bad for me. I would argue the opposite.[/quote]



Could you please go through and read what I've said in an unbiased way.

It's completely pointless to reply if you don't take the time to read what the other person has to say.

@bijouxbroussard Idk I think the way the term respect/respectable is used can very greatly regardless of which side of the 'fence' someone in on. For example me and my brother disagree on it greatly but have the same middle of the road political leanings.

I think that respect(earned) is different than being respectable(given). He thinks to show respect is to be respectable as if the two were interchangeable. I would have to go over my views and his to properly explain what I mean though.

So what all have you protested if you don't mind me asking

@IAmMaster "what all" ? As a young person (with family members), I protested against some establishments that were still racially segregated, in spite of their receiving some tax considerations. In college, I participated in protests to remove the Confederate flag from City Hall and state buildings; also against and in support of various local legislation in my home state over the decades. I marched with others expressing disapproval the day after Trump was elected in 2016, and in the January marches of 2017.

I've always seen "respect" as something everyone is entitled to: basic respect as a human being, until [b]they[/b] do something to lose it. "Respectable" is a bit more dicey a term, and as I implied highly subjective. I see it as someone who behaves with self-respect, honor and dignity.

@bijouxbroussard Yeah the confederate flag shouldn't be in any government buildings.

What did you think of when the statue of Robert E. lee was torn down? I thought it was a shame. Like tearing down a piece of history. I didn't share any love for the guy but There's lessons to be learned from everyone.

I agree 100% on your 'respect' and 'respectable' descriptions. I just view them a bit differently. I look at 'respectable' as a sort of personal attribute to aim towards. Being kind and respectable to others to earn respect. While respect to me would be more like a feeling. Like superman would be respectable and everyone in the city would respect him and disrespect the villains.

@IAmMaster

[quote]The point I was trying to make was not what drives socialism but what drives or pushes people towards socialism.
The tribal us against them. The lust for their wealth. Though I guess it would depend on the economic climate. [/quote]

When in fact, where socialism actually worked, is in countries, where social justice, not greed, was the motivator. Examples: Scandinavian countries, Holland, and where it mostly works: France, England, etc.

[quote]Russia was full of poor serfs that were starving, had no breed while their leaders were eating cake so they fell into socialism quite easily. It's still a greed for what others have, though it's justified in that instance. [/quote]

No, it's a struggle to get paid a fair price, for what they've earned. There is a difference, and socialism is not what they ended up with, they got Communism, which is quite different.

[quote]In America we seem to be having lots of socialists popping up in the millennial generation. I think it's because they are taught the use against them idea. I've seen many college professors teaching pathetic economics(communism) in their lectures.[/quote]

It may come as a shock to you, but teaching Communism, is one of the economic systems, Professors of Economics, are supposed to teach. If they don't, they're not doing their job. How would you like to take a course on the Civil War, only to have your professor exclude slavery?

[quote]What theory? I said people's REACTIONS will change if they understood or took educational classes and were shown how to shoot at a gun range.[/quote]

Exactly. That's your [b]theory[/b], not supported by facts, and it tries to connect two orthogonal issues.

[quote]In this I was just describing the process of maturing through profound experiences. Eye opening events. Things like that.[/quote]

Real important, eye opening events, are happening on regular basis. They mostly involve mass shootings. This is ORTHOGONAL to getting yourself educated on gun safety, or popping a few rounds at a shooting range.

[quote]Could you please go through and read what I've said in an unbiased way.

It's completely pointless to reply if you don't take the time to read what the other person has to say.[/quote]

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Did he actually delete my response? While short, there was a good reaaon for it.

And that only serves to prove my point.

Thanks master man...for deletung my comment and being a ❄.

@JaggedLittlePill huh I could have sworn there were two of the same posts. I only deleted one of them. Just re-post it.