At what age / grade level

@ninalanyon Nina give me time to loop back to this . marginally yes but it will take more time to be comprehensive in the answer Margin---everything works on margin in these kind of things vs absolutes.

@ninalanyon yeah so anything other than sitting there and getting slaughtered is something. How effective it is is complicated though. some issues that exist in the USA

1) Gun control is off the legislative table at the federal level . Our congress has decided to not bring more gun control less access of guns to the table . Some of our presidents from time to time make an executive decision for gun control measures sometimes. To further complicate it in the USA access to guns is seen as the will of God and I live in a really religious country. Congress legislates on the will of God from time to time as does our Supreme court

2) Our police are ofen (but not always) not intersted nor able to protect the children. There was a court case that went to our supreme court that challenged the idea that police were obigated to protect the public. The court found they were not. How it apples to mass shootings is the police can be fired (like Uvalde Texas) but not held legally liable if they choose not to contest the gunman. We have seen this play out in a number of school shootings were law enforcement hides as opposed to contronts the gunman. However to be fair the opposite has happened too.

3) The shooters often have high capacity magazines and guns that empty a 30 round clip in seconds that are highly accurate. In addition many of them plan months in advance and already know the layout of the school ahead of time.

4) There is not a standarized format hence the reason I keep asking the mothers and ex-kids on here what they did / do. Protocols vary from the run/ hide / fight model to the hide and barricade that is appearing on this thread. So when you ask "does it work" what it is tricky and varies. However we have enough historical data to suggest that hiding and barricading works.

5) On a personal footnote I don't have kids, however I still don't want to see them slaughtered in schools and am concerned about their welfare.

6) the link sandyhook promise (3rd to last footnote) is a political organization that wants more gun control however they do a good job of listing data. Sandyhook was a school shooting that occured in an elementary school in 2012. The shooter killed 20 first graders and 6 teachers mostly with a Bushmaster AR15 rifle. It was signifigant not just for the deaths of children and teachers but because it was the time when Congress when asked what they were prepared to do to protect children took gun control off the table over the course of the following years.

7) Probably good to make this post to give the non-American's on here a context.

footnotes

https://www.aclu.org/cases/castle-rock-v-gonzales

https://cops.usdoj.gov/uvalde

https://www.texastribune.org/2024/01/18/uvalde-school-shooting-federal-investigation-police-response/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/florida-deputys-legal-team-says-he-didnt-have-an-obligation-to-stop-parkland-school-shooter

https://www.sandyhookpromise.org/blog/gun-violence/facts-about-gun-violence-and-school-shootings/

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/gunman-kills-students-and-adults-at-newtown-connecticut-elementary-school

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2012/12/us/sandy-hook-timeline/index.html

@robertsnj What are they for then?

In a number of European countries I think one could argue that not only the police but also the general public have such a duty. It is at least a legal requirement, for instance, in Italy for bystanders to render aid to accident victims.

@ninalanyon real quick I like interacting with you on here and I like your perspective on things. To address


that is a complicated question in my country. However public safety is not what we have them for . If they do something to protect a person they did because they decided to not because had to. No obligation for them to protect the pubic at all.