I think that eminent domain needs to be massively streamlined and way easier to do.

@OogieBoogie There is, of course, value in the connection a person has with their home. But it's unfair to prioritize the well-being of a few people over the well-being of millions of people.

If you can save time on transportation, that means more time you can spend with your loved ones, put more work into your hobbies or a business. Time is your most valuable asset in life. And all of this is before even considering the lives saved through reduced carbon emissions & car accidents. All very abstract but real as a heart attack.

@BlueVeins people who travel are choosing to spend that time doing so

@MethDozer They're traveling to get to their destination, not to piss away their time. The time is a cost in that situation.

@BlueVeins The journey is part of the adventure. If its too much time choose a different destination. Traveling as to destinations is pissing away time. Enjoyable yes, but pissing away time loke anything else in life

@BlueVeins the shorter the time it takes to get somewhere the less exciting and novel it is.

The world is already too small due to technology. I dont get why some want to make it even smaller. All it does is make traveling more pointless and fleeting.

@MethDozer Well if someone wants to spend more time, they can take a bus idc. For 99% of people, the time they spend sitting in traffic or in transit is not enjoyable or what they're interested in, especially compared to the next best thing they could be doing.

Also a lot of travel isn't discretionary. People have places they have to go for work, family obligations, odd medical appointments, all sorts of shit. I hope people get to spend their leisure time in these great cities if they want to, but boiling it down to just recreation is a bit myopic.

@BlueVeins youre talking high speed rail. Kot a crosstown subway. If youre living in LA but work in San Fran say. Fucking move to where you work like a normal person. Live where you need to be.

@MethDozer Well what if your company has multiple offices you have to go to, or has clients that need served in other cities? A lot of jobs require travel.

@BlueVeins "time is cost"

So is work.... and effort, and emotional distress.


Do they get financially compensated for all their time, effort, dedication, loss and cancellation of their lifes sanctuary?

No.

Your disgruntlement ay others not willingly giving up their homes is so incredibly short sighted....amd frankly cruel.

Blame the MEGA companies not willing to sufficiently pay these people adequately for what they are asking to give up.

You're going on about "time is cost" ....and yet that's beyond hypocritical because you are completely negating a person's WHOLE Life's time and effort for your what ? 1...2?....3 hrs a day?

How do you devalue others so damn easily?

Silly question really...... just as easily as the developers do.

Treating people like numbers and wonder why they get upset.


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@BlueVeins so your choice of job has priority over others long earned homes?

Decades of living in ... and memories.


Get a different job if youre that upset about travelling.... sheesh.

@OogieBoogie exactly!

@OogieBoogie proponents of eminate domain will bleet on how people are fairly compensated "BeCUz dEy gEt MaRKeT valUE" the thing is though that's nit what itnis worth to them and you're bullying them off with force, if that $100,000 land is worth a 1 million to them personally then they should at least get that.

@OogieBoogie If we assume a ridership of 10 million a year, 1 hour saved per ride, and a lifespan of 80 years for the system, that's 800 million hours saved by this project over the course of its lifespan. Very lowball numbers, the ridership is predicted to be 31 million & a lifespan of only 80 years would be pretty odd.

California High Speed Rail is buying about 3,000 pieces of land in the Central Valley. Bear in mind, most of these home sales have been voluntary, but we'll count them all as displacements to be generous. Maybe bump it up to 30,000 for the whole line to be as liberal as possible with it. In order for the line to cost home sellers as much time as the line saves travelers, it would have to take each home seller 26,667 straight hours of searching for a new home, or over 3 years straight of working literally around the clock.

If that's the case, I think it's fair to say the issue for these people isn't the rail line. Maybe they need a new real estate agent idk.

@MethDozer why they gotta build above ground anyway?

London has an underground.
Hawaii has an amazing highway in the sky.


Theres other options to trashing peoples homes and disrupting everyone's daily life while they take years to build it.

My gosh, i was only watching a thing the other day of a machine a company built that digs and lines a tunnel all at once.

Built for trains.

Built to save infrastructure.

It can be done

@BlueVeins why dont they build it underground?

Its safer
Quieter
Less disruptive to infrastructure.


Thats what they do in europe


AND.... they dont have to buy land

@OogieBoogie Those underground lines are usually metros. Way more expensive than building above ground and building them out causes massive disruptions to life on the surface. You would need to acquire land because you're doing a huge construction project on their property. Frankly it would be a lot more cruel to put people through that without buying the property off of them.

@BlueVeins actully no.

They just have to spend a little more and upgrade to european and japaese standards:

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It can go under cities and all infrastructure without people even aware its digging away.

The company is just cheap. And all it cares about is the bottom dollar.

Not quality.

Or quality of civil life.


Just how it can do the job as cheap as possible and make maximum profit at the cost of others lives.

@BlueVeins there's nothing more cruel than using force and violence to push someone out of their home they dont want to leave.

@MethDozer Even to the extent that it is a luxury, that's a good thing. People should have luxuries.


An extra hour spend hanging out with your kids, learning a new hobby, or drinking with your colleagues at work IS meaningful in itself. Time doesn't have to be spent in large increments in order to be meaningful. I think the issue here is that people's brains don't do a good job of conceptualizing what a small benefit dispersed among a large number of people actually means. People's brains are wired to empathize with people on an individual level and so kind of goes haywire in large, statistical problems like this one.

@MethDozer I think if someone wants to knowingly make life worse for millions of people, merely removing them from their homes is very lenient.

@BlueVeins again, traveling to anither city is a choice and luxury is over rated. If you hate driving, move closer to work
Here's the deal go ahead and byild the rail, but when you get to the people who dont want to give uo their home and they statt shooting at you, you got what you deserve and asked for.

@BlueVeins hes not making anyone's life worse. Get a grip. You are by seizing their personal prpoerty with imperialist thinking

@MethDozer Depriving other people of a train is making life worse. If they die in a shootout, good riddance.