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I'm going to tell you women why old cars

Since so many of you ask, there's a reason why I'm fixed on old cars besides my upper middle aged crusty ass ok? Number one today's modern pieces of shit will be in the wrecker before an old car with twice as many miles
Secondly, there's no comfortable modern car. 3rd, and of course most of you women won't understand this, I'm not rich, nor am I stupid enough to make payments on some modern car with no class.
4th, unlike a lot of y'all, I don't follow trends.
Know your engines. 3.8 liter will outlast a 3.6 3 times over. Modern cars are only built for looks and convenience, not longevity and reliability.
5th, modern cars are overpriced 3-4 times over.
6th, metallurgy. Look in to it.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
I think you are judging purely on personal taste.

Cars were always designed with looks in mind. They still are.

Most cars in the past were unduly heavy, with huge engines to try to overcome their poor efficiency and to drag too much steelwork about, (so terrible fuel consumption), and were far less safe than modern ones. Many were less comfortable too, due to less sophisticated suspension and cruder seats; but the larger ones may have had more leg-room.

The old ones that survive in good condition do only thanks to constant care and attention. They were not better made than their modern versions. Often worse, or at least made just as well as now but to worse designs.


No longer the grovelling underneath with a grease-gun every month, or re-setting contact-breakers, spark-plugs and rocker-arms regularly. Much better fuels and engines, so no de-carbonising the cylinder-head and re-seating the valves every year / 50 000 miles. If we need replace them, disc-brake pads are a damn sight easier than the old-fashioned drum-brakes, and better as brakes anyway.

I have my car, built in 2008, professionally serviced along with its compulsory, annual "MoT" roadworthiness test. Regular maintenance by me is mainly just tyre-pressures, verifying the coolant and brake-fluid levels (translucent bottles), and only one oil-level (single-unit engine, gearbox and differential). Plus occasionally replacing tyres, wiper blades or lamp-bulbs. This is not neglect, but it simply not needing deeper routine attention by the owner.

A far cry from some vehicles I have owned in the past, which needed frequent grovelling in grit, grease and grime - and I have carried out fairly large-scale repairs on some.


"Over-priced" now? Motoring was never cheap, but in richer countries far more people can afford at least reasonably good second-hand cars than fifty years ago.


Metallurgy? Why? It's true that some 1960s - 80s models were less well painted than others, gaining a reputation for rapid corrosion, but the bodywork metallurgy has not changed for more than 100 years. Almost all car and van bodies (and pre-monocoque, chassis) were made from mild-steel pressings, originally screwed and later spot or seam-welded together. They still are.

There are more plastic mouldings in and around them, and many modern engines have aluminium-alloy cylinder-blocks with cast-iron cylinder liners, but the body shell is still "ordinary" steel. At least we've lost needless chrome-plated ornamenting.


I do have a beef with the latest cars, that they are fitted with far too many accessories and "driving aids", the machinery space is very cramped and they are far more complicated generally, so repairing your own car is far harder or even impossible. That does put the new price and servicing costs up, but they need less servicing than their ancestors anyway - and are far more reliable than five decades ago.

I've had enough grit, grease and grime over those years, and have no-where to perform complex repairs anyway. At least the cramped engine-space and transverse engine (front-wheel drive), makes the overall vehicle more compact for the same interior space, so easier to park in tight spaces.


Oh - and I am not a woman... but neither do I think women know nowt about cars.
Ohplease47 · F
@ArishMell he said all that and quit

His gas too...went up a buck and a half today

To pay for this latest obscene and illegal war, aimed at ending life, good times and affordable car rides

FOREVER
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Ohplease47 Sorry? I read his post's heading as frankly patronising to women, and the text wrong in engineering fact.

It didn't have anything to do with the latest war. It even predates it!
at least if you break down on the road in an old car you have a chance to fix them. it you have a clothing hanger.
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kodiac · 22-25, M
This is a 70 year old chevy truck ,there isn't a vehicle made today that will last 70 years.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@kodiac No reason why not, but only if looked after or rescued from some barn.

My sister owns what had been our father's Commer caravanette, and that is probably sixty years old. It lasted only because it had been stored unused for many years, after he became too ill to drive it. Though stored in a garage it still cost her a lot of money to put back on the road - it needed all-new fuel tank, battery, hydraulics and tyres, and I think a re-spray.


Similary that Chevrolet has not looked like that since new. It has obviously been restored, very nicely, and recently- and from a rusty wreck?

Seventy years ago.... Most of that car's contemporaries of all makes would have been worn-out beyond economic repair, even obsolescent, so scrapped; mainly in the 1960s - 70s. Some might have staggered on into the 1980s. Very, very few are still running now.

Cars are not designed to last for more than two or three decades. Even massive things like ships last only 20 or 30 years. They never were.

Very few survive. Some of the most expensive, highest-quality luxury cars do by careful use and continual servicing. Others had been been locked in some shed for years until rescued and restored. None survive for 50+ years by manufacturer's intent. They were not built to do so.

Commercial vehicles, including builders' pick-ups like that Chevrolet, are designed for even shorter lives in years. They are designed to cover very high mileages or hours of hard work in a short time. That was so even before the i.c.-engine. I have reprints of "owner's manuals" for traction-engines built in the early-1900s. They estimated write-down ages of just ten years - for relatively simple utility vehicles built from massive steel plate and iron castings.


Your Chevrolet was not built to last seven decades.

It is just lucky to be still alive!


The most likely problem facing any internal-engined vehicle in 70 years from now, whether 2026-built or (like that Chevy) already preserved vintage, will be availability of consumables - especially fuel, lubricating oils, suitable batteries and tyres - spares, and the skills to service such machines.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
The only reason people think old things are better is because only the best survives. The majority of the old stuff disappeared without trace.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ninalanyon Much of it un-lamented too!

I used to know someone whose hobby was restoring 19C furniture. He told me the Victorians were as capable of low quality as anyone now, and it is common to find tricks like salvaged tea-chest plywood for drawer-bottoms and cupboard backs.
Ohplease47 · F
You women???????

We dont care 4 your artistry...ok?

 
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