ninalanyon · 70-79, T
That's very good, especially compared to what Gridserve were charging in the UK this summer 0.89 GBP. That's 1.09 EUR. Even Tesla were charging 0.42 GBP (0.50 EUR)
HumanEarth · F
And they are powered by diesel 🤣🤣🤣
ninalanyon · 70-79, T
@HumanEarth The sign is in German so I guess it's in Germany although it could be Austria or Switzerland. If so it is about 60% renewable 40% gas and coal.
Waveney · M
@HumanEarth @ninalanyon Nope, they're not powered by diesel. And even if they were at least the emissions are not belched back into the air along with the choking pollution that goes with it.
EVs are win-win.
EVs are win-win.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Waveney Modern Diesel engines with proper fuel and exhaust systems do of course emit carbon-dioxide, as any hydrocarbon fuel will; but they are designed and built NOT to "belch choking pollution."
They even emit little or no nitrous oxides, which any hydrocarbon fuel and indeed basic burning of hydrogen in air will.
They even emit little or no nitrous oxides, which any hydrocarbon fuel and indeed basic burning of hydrogen in air will.
Waveney · M
It's in Germany. And of course if you have a charging port at home then you can charge your car overnight for literally pennies.
Way cheaper to charge at home.
why DC is more expensive
ninalanyon · 70-79, T
@mysteryespresso Partly because the charger itself is more expensive but mostly because demand is greater. DC is much faster so you can charge a premium for it because people don't want to wait for so long.
My ancient Model S for instance is capable of AC charging at only 11 kW so it will take an hour to add 50 km of range whereas with fast charging it will take only ten minutes. And of course newer cars can charge three times faster (or more) again on the newer chargers.
My ancient Model S for instance is capable of AC charging at only 11 kW so it will take an hour to add 50 km of range whereas with fast charging it will take only ten minutes. And of course newer cars can charge three times faster (or more) again on the newer chargers.
I wonder how that compares in a mpg comparison. e.g. most cars get n miles for $x worth of fuel, I wonder what the comparison is in cash.
@Neuman I did some looking and math if anyone's curious. an ev is normally about 3m per kwh, a gallon of gasoline is about 33kwh of electricity, but cars are super inefficient. if this were in dollars and gallons - if the price on these signs were in dollars, the break even point between an ev and a gasoline engine is right around $2.7/gallon.
Birdbox1986 · 31-35, F
And how long does it take to charge an EV
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Birdbox1986 How long is a piece of wire?
Rather longer than refilling a tank of liquid fuel! They are improving though - I think the fastest car batteries absorb a charge from low to 80% in about 20 minutes; from commercial chargers designed to pass currents usually associated with welding ships' hulls.
Wow! Fine if you are not in a queue for the chargers. You'd need plan your journey to allow for possible queuing as well as charging time, of course.
The most febrile EV enthusiasts reckon "we all" will charge our cars at our homes and "we all" only drive about 100 or so miles a week anyway - but not everyone can charge them at home and many of us also make longer journeys not feasible except by our own cars!
Rather longer than refilling a tank of liquid fuel! They are improving though - I think the fastest car batteries absorb a charge from low to 80% in about 20 minutes; from commercial chargers designed to pass currents usually associated with welding ships' hulls.
Wow! Fine if you are not in a queue for the chargers. You'd need plan your journey to allow for possible queuing as well as charging time, of course.
The most febrile EV enthusiasts reckon "we all" will charge our cars at our homes and "we all" only drive about 100 or so miles a week anyway - but not everyone can charge them at home and many of us also make longer journeys not feasible except by our own cars!
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
Thats per kilowatt hour.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Few if any of the EV charger providers in the UK display any prices.
They are not required to do so.
All other goods and services have to be offered at prices clearly displayed before any purchases, and there are quite severe regulations to minimise shady practices. So I have never understood why the EV charger suppliers are allowed to hide the cost.
They are not required to do so.
All other goods and services have to be offered at prices clearly displayed before any purchases, and there are quite severe regulations to minimise shady practices. So I have never understood why the EV charger suppliers are allowed to hide the cost.






