Isn't it funny how we see people how we want them to be or think that they are, but reality is they aren't anything like that?

Nope eventually the true colors shine through and the mask falls off.

There's no honest people in this world?

@GraceFromEP: I didn't say that. I responded to Shattered indicating that people are actors of a sort in that not one is what they pretend to be. People often do not put forth who the real them is, but rather someone they want us to believe that they are.

@OWise1: I see. But not everyone is fake. I try to be as authentic as I can possibly be, for example. Why put on, I say. Why lie? People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing. My dad was the most honest man I've ever known in my life. I pride myself in doing the same. I'm honored he was my dad and taught us many things we can be proud of. Oh wait! lol....I was responding to Shattered's post, not yours. Haha

@OWise1: Exactly.

@GraceFromEP: You are rare. People fear rejection and don't like being judged or called on their crap for the most part. Kudos to you for your honesty.

@GraceFromEP: Maybe it just seems like all men are effing liars because all the ones I know lie.

@OWise1: I'm so sorry. Please read the last sentence of my reply to you, that I added..

@Shattered: I hear you Shattered...I truly think they don't want to find out what a truly caring person is....it'd be too much to be respectful of for many. Not all men are bad but many are.

@OWise1: Yes, most do, for sure.

@OWise1: Not bragging by [b]any[/b] means, but Yes, I think I [u]am[/u] pretty rare these days. In many ways. Not just that. Yes, people are quick to judge. I mess up on that sometimes myself, but hate when I do that, and correct it immediately. Nobody wants the rejection, including me, but I'm not about to sacrifice integrity and trust to be popular or liked. It hurts, but that's the way it is. Where there's no trust, there's no relationship.

You are so right...trust is crucial and when it's violated, it's next to impossible to regain it...it's a game changer. :(

@Shattered: How well I know. The honest ones are extremely rare!! I always tell them, if you can't be honest with me from the beginning, we won't be together long.

@OWise1: Truer words were never spoken. It really hurts. It don't cost one thing to be honest, yet some insult our intelligence and think we're too stupid to know when they're lying. Sooner or later they must admit the truth, as their lies always find them out.

@GraceFromEP: Thanks. I know not every last person is a creep. I mean statistically speaking it would be impossible, right?

@GraceFromEP: The question becomes do you ignore and let them think of their actions or call them on their crap of which they will lie and deny. Somehow ignoring is a form of rejection and yet doesn't always give the need for closure and discussing things like mature adults. Men and people in general are cowards...like little kids when caught in the act.

I feel your pain and have experienced the same. You would [b]think[/b] that there were more mature people in this world that actually care about hurting other's feelings, but it [i]seems[/i] the nicer you are to a person, the less you're appreciated, and taken advantage of. That's the way I've experienced most men in my life, anyway. Yet we can't put them all in the same basket, to be fair. @Shattered:

@OWise1: No, you call them on it. You don't reward bad behavior. Sure. You may not get the truth OR closure. Sometimes you have to make your own closure. You don't keep liars in your life. Period. If they've no more respect for you than that, they need to go. Too toxic.

Usually not, Shattered.

@GraceFromEP: I think too it's a generational as well as how a person is raised sort of thing. Funny thing though...narcissists don't respect others and yet often we do not recognize the narcissistic quality until it's too late and we put two and two together. Weird how that works.

@OWise1: Oh yes. Dated one. So [i]charming.[/i] They weave a good web of deceit. Some never see it, nor survive. They don't know the game until it's too late.