Palestinians are obliged to use violence facing such an oppressive, blood-lustful colonial settler. Even saints will find it hard to remain saints!

@helenS oh please. Hamas is a rag tag militant group that barely has a state. It's hardly comparable to Nazi Germany.

Furthermore, it's the IDF I'm seeing calling for ethni cleansing comparing Palestinians to animals and the Amalekites. Do you need the Bible verse to know what an alarming statement that is?

Also... y'all do know nuking Gaza is not only morally reprehensible, but also the fallout will kill Jewish Israelis. Odd nothing to call for more Jewish deaths if you're such a Philosemite.

@helenS Don’t forget the Romans, the Greeks, the Inquisition, the Russians, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Iran, and pretty much everyone else in the world. But it hasn’t been as much fun for everyone since the Jews started fighting back in 1948, has it?

@helenS your arguments are too subtle for morons here.

@Guardian yes, absolutely, it's totally moronic to point out nuking a coastal area would be a bad idea. Have you, in your genius levels of study and erudite wit and subtlety ever heard the term "nuclear fallout"?

@Harmonium1923 Absolutely. This time it's different. Freedom fighters can't even cut off a Jewish woman's breasts anymore and have some fun without getting into deep shit.
But hey, Jewish self-defence is called genocide in most countries, and by almost all peace-loving leftists.

#FuckGaza

@helenS if the common consensus is that it's Genocide, perhaps there's a common denominator. Funny that.

@Guardian The world-wide political left is rotten to its antisemitic core. I'm so ashamed I used to be a part of it 😕

#FuckGaza

@basilfawlty89 There was a common consensus that the earth was flat, the African-Americans should be slaves, that Native Americans should be deprived of their land, etc. Shall I go on? I have a pretty good sense for the world's common consensus of the Jewish people, expressed relentlessly over thousands of years. That doesn't make it right.

@basilfawlty89 Compare pictures of Hamburg 1944, Hiroshima 1945, and Gaza 2023.
Yes, fascism comes at a price 👍

#FuckGaza

@Harmonium1923 yes, because Jewish people were the only oppressed group in history...

I mean except the Armenians and Assyrians who also faced Genocide and the whole world ignored their plight and statehood.

I mean except the Native Americans who were nearly wiped out as a race.

I mean except the African Americans brutally enslaved in conditions then unknown.

I have Native Blood. Can I go and kill some random white people and claim it as my land?

@basilfawlty89 [quote]if the common consensus is that it's Genocide, perhaps there's a common denominator[/quote]

There is no recognised race of "Palestinians": for the purpose of classification the inhabitants of Gaza are Arabic. Are you (and all the others who use such hyperbole) really claiming that Israel is trying to exterminate ALL Arabs? [i][b]That[/b][/i] would be genocide.

@helenS Right? The irony of it all is that the essentialist logic Hamas uses to justify killing random Israelis is virtually identical to the essentialist logic that the Israeli government uses to justify killing random Palestinians. It's genocidal maniacs all the way down.

@basilfawlty89 Are you saying I claimed Jews were the only oppressed people? My point was the opposite. Bullies never like it when their victims fight back.

Do you consider the Battle of Little Bighorn to be an act of genocide against Caucasians? Did you consider the Allied invasion of Europe in 1944 to be genocidal? (Take a look sometime at the level of civilian casualties in WW2). I don’t, and I don’t consider the Israeli response to the attack by Hamas (an organization whose charter literally calls for the elimination of Jews worldwide) to be genocidal. Wars, including this one, are horrible and tragic. But the deliberate misuse of the term “genocide” to characterize Israeli self-defense is one more appalling example of what I already called the world’s “common consensus” about Jews.

@ArtieKat The definition of 'genocide' includes the elimination of an ethnicity.

[quote]Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in
whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated
to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.[/quote]

So yes, attempting to kill Palestinians without attempting to kill all Arabs does constitute genocide.

@ArtieKat don't even try that. You know that's fallacious. Arabic is a linguistic group. If you're telling me that Saudis have the same culture as Lebanese, you need to get out more. Hispanic is also a linguistic group. Doesn't mean Mexican is the same as Argentine. Nice try though.

Palestinians are an ethnic group. Trying to destroy an ethnic group wholly or in part, is genocide by Lemkin and the UN definition.

Helen above is just fine with praising the idea of nukes. Most Gazans are children. She's literally calling for nuking children.

And again, I don't see any of you calling for Native Americans getting their land back, but Israelis should apparently get special treatment. Last time I checked, equality and egalitarianism is what we strive for.

#FuckSettlerColonialism

@basilfawlty89 If you feel Native Americans were treated poorly (and they certainly were) by having their land stolen and being subjected to extermination campaigns, then why don’t you have similar concerns when that happens to Jews? You’re the one being inconsistent here.

@basilfawlty89 [quote]You know that's fallacious[/quote] It is not - and you and your ilk are disingenuous to claim otherwise. You probably know what the truth is too but you have your head stuck so far up your dogma that you can't admit it.

@Harmonium1923 because last time I checked, Jewish people were exterminated by white people in Europe, not Palestinians.

Should I go claim land in Asia because white people exterminated us and took our lands? No, that wouldn't be logical.

For that matter, last time I checked, Germany paid reparations for the Holocaust (something Armenians, Greeks and Assyrians are still waiting for from the Turks).

No one is currently trying to wipe out Jewish people. But I do see calls for ethnically cleansing gaza. I do see a lot of claims of mass murder being okay if it's for an ethnostate. That's more fascistic.

I want to reiterate - I'm not against the right of existence for Israel, I don't want Israel destroyed. But I also don't see why Palestinians aren't allowed equal rights and self determination.

@ArtieKat so using your logic - every English speaker is merely an Anglophone and doesn't have a unique ethnic group? So the Welsh, Irish and Scots are all English now? Please go say that in Belfast and see what happens.

@basilfawlty89 [quote]I want to reiterate - I'm not against the right of existence for Israel, I don't want Israel destroyed. But I also don't see why Palestinians aren't allowed equal rights and self determination.[/quote] Look at what those who you are supporting [i][b]actually[/b][/i] want? Because they certainly wouldn't allow you the freedom to express your views. Incidentally, you speak of having "native blood" - native to where?
[quote]Should I go claim land in Asia because white people exterminated us and took our lands[/quote]

@basilfawlty89 I didn't say anything about the language people speak, I referred to their genetic make-up. Nothing more

@basilfawlty89 Not sure we’re going to get much further here. But I would certainly challenge your perception that Arabs have not been enemies of the Jews. There have been enough invasions of Israel by Arab forces since 1948 to make that pretty clear, and you’re welcome to read the Hamas charter any time. Never mind Iraq, Iran, and on and on. Israel didn’t randomly decide to pick on Palestinians, for heavens sakes. After refusing Israel’s offer of a two state solution, the Palestinians elected a government who made no secret of its mission to destroy Israel and eliminate the worlds Jews. Then they tried to do exactly that. And now everyone seems surprised that Israel feels it should defend itself.

@Harmonium1923 Absolutely!

@ArtieKat About 500,000 Arabs left Israel in 1948; the number of "Palestinian refugees" has increased by a factor of ten: there are 5,000,000 "refugees" now.
How genocidal is that!

#FuckGaza

@basilfawlty89 I see you are not replying to where you are a native of.