I’ve changed my mind, god is real

@TheRascallyOne That's definitely Divine Intervention.

@Iwillwait Most people who looked at the car that I was in couldn't believe that I survived or had been in it.

@Iwillwait Something unexpected happened... thus God. 🤔

@Kwek00 Unexpected is like when you see a friend at a grocery store. Or you find an extra $20 in your pants pocket that you didn't know there. What happened with me is more than unexpected

@TheRascallyOne My sister lost 1/4th of her brainmass during a carcrash, where her head got hit against the trailer of a truck as her car drove underneath it. Luckely, her chair cracked backwards... so you have to imagine that the entire impact crashes against the windshield, then against her head, the impac is so high that the seat cracks backwards (else she would have been decapitated). With her head cracked open, she survived the ambulance ride to the hospital. Then she went into ER, these people gave her up BUT because she was young they send her to the university hospital. There they did surgery for over 11 hours. I know because dad wanted to drive over after the police came by, and mom was hysterical. So I sat next to dad, that I could take over the steering wheel if he would have an emotional break down. So we sat there for 11 hours because we went to the first hospital first, and we were able to follow the ambulance+police convoy all the way to the hospital.

Then after the operation, no one could guarantee anything. So for weeks, in which she went critical several times, we had no idea IF she would come trough. Then after months of induced coma, she woke up and she had to get off the morphine. Which was also a hard process. Before she could talk, we still had no clue in what mental state she was.

If you would see her today, the chances are that you wouldn't even notice she went through the entire ordeal. And everyone told us, that we ran the risk of having someone in a vegetative state, considering the mass of brain damadge. In our vocabulary, the word "miracle" pops up... but even after all these years, because someone beat all the odss... I've still not attached myself to some miracle explanation. "Luck" is the best word I have for it.

@Kwek00 So, despite all this evidence, you're still unwilling to say that there's a God. Even despite what you just told me about what happened to your sister

@TheRascallyOne It has very little to do with the evidence... You are working backwards. Something incredible happens... so there has to be some reason why it happened. And since you find no reason that you can live with, you magically solve the issue by invoking an idea that can't be proven. ... "thus God".

Hunderds of people die in car accidents all over Europe... my sister was lucky. The interpretation that God didn't care about all the counter examples that didn't have the same experience or ended up with pain or a vegetative state for the rest of their lifes are just forgotten. But this cherrypicked example of the lucky person explains "God", and in the mean time we have to accept that God didn't care about all the others, or that they needed to be brutally punished.

Today, a bunch of climbers climbed the Marapi Volcano. Volcano bursts, there are already 22 people that died. However, some 19 year old girl called "Ife" survived. In my opinion she was lucky, considering the 22 other people... but for people that need more evidence of God, another opportunity has presented itself to invoke the almighty.

If you want to find God... Work from the start, don't work backwards. If you want to find God, don't overlook all the examples that go against the narrative. And after a while... you'll figure out that there is nothing there. And with that conclusion, nothing really has changed.

@Kwek00 In my country we have a word for what you are it's called denial

@TheRascallyOne Hey, I'm not the person that has to invoke some unexplained force to justify a situation that just beat the odds. It's not that my sister OR yourself had no chance of getting out of the sticky situation. The chances of not getting out were just higher. If we need invoke something unexplainable for everyone that is lucky and call it a literal "miracle"... that's just a form of laziness (and downright insanity) I'm not going to go along with. If you label that "denial", well... that really is your problem.

@Kwek00 just because you don't want there to be a God doesn't mean one doesn't exist A person in denial rejects or avoids accepting reality because it's unpleasant or distressing.

@TheRascallyOne I'm sorry... but this is like saying to someone that (s)he doesn't want to believe in unicorns, when that person points out that there is no evidence for such things.

You wouldn't use this logic, to anything else, because you would understand how stupid it is in any other scenario. But when it comes to your religious believes, those healthy logical steps need to be dismantled in favor of what you want, not in favor of what I want. I'm just being consistent.

@Kwek00 arrogance an ignorance will make a fool out of a genius

@TheRascallyOne What ever makes you feel good about yourself. But again, any other situation where the odds are beaten (on a weekly basis in Vegas) then there is no God... some bizar cherry picked example, thus God.

@Kwek00 or you're cherry picking good luck situations VS a miracle situation because you hope there's no God

@TheRascallyOne Too be lucky, isn't cherrypicked, it's just a word that expresses the events or circumstances that operate for or against an individual. Or it's a word that expresses luck.

I don't need to hope there is no God. I just need to look at the actual evidence for it.
If you want to describe all lucky coincedences to some unexplainable force that doesn't only excist by itself but also describes how we need to live our lifes so we can have some afterlife... you need to do a lot more work then just accepting "luck" for what it is.

@Kwek00 Look, I get it, you're an atheist and you hate God or whatever stupid b*******You want to believe in, but you are being unreasonable to think that luck. Is the biggest factor in our lives

@TheRascallyOne I can't hate what isn't there. 😅
I never said "luck" is the biggest factor in our lifes. Must be comforting to you to make shit up and flatter yourself. Hopefully one day, you can just start living in the real world instead of this little prison of self indulgence you have boxed yourself into.

@Kwek00 So are all belgium people just straight up rude like you are or is this something you practiced

@TheRascallyOne I could ask you if all Americans are as simplistic as you are... but I don't have too, because I know better.

@Kwek00 No us americans are more educated than you bums in europe

@TheRascallyOne I can clearly see that the educational system did a great job at producing someone like yourself.

@Kwek00 and you're a shining example of Belgium's best?

@TheRascallyOne Nah
But I'm good enough at pointing out, that being lucky doesn't need a "miracle explanation" or the invocation of some almighty figure. Especially not a figure that human beings thought up in an era so long ago, that these people would believe our modern times to be "magical" just because of the advancement of knowledge the human species made over the last 3000 years.

@Kwek00 wait your not the smartest man in the world?

@TheRascallyOne It's funny when someone points out that figures like yourself are wrong, that instead of prooving your position with actual evidence, you have to retreat too things like: "you must be really full of yourself". The correct way of dealing with this is: "lets see if I'm wrong, maybe I'm wrong, lets look at the evidence (or lack there off) and rethink my position and become a smarter person."... the fact that you can't do this excercise shows a lot more about the perception you have about yourself then any label you want to tactically push on me.