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@bluebird Laughing at your own prison; a prison that you cannot touch, taste, see or smell. A prison for your mind.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Interesting, although I don't take too much notice of the para-politicising of the basic idea that yes, we have become slaves to measured time.
The problem is our society at large, irrespective of how it is administered, has locked itself into rhythms dictated by the clock and could not function without it. That has been so for at two millenia in the "West" - possibly longer still in the ancient cultures of India and China.
Seasonal and New Year timings have been critical to Mankind since the dawn of agriculture, and although we can't actually prove the point except circumstantially, it's thought Stonehenge and similar monuments originally acted as simple calendars (among other functions).
The Ancient Greeks, I think it was, had their Clepsydra - simple water-clocks.
The Mediaeval monks in their European monasteries marked the hours of the day to regulate their services around which the rest of their activities revolved. The world's oldest known clock still working, now preserved in Salisbury Cathedral, has no dial and hands and did not strike the hours of the day as such, but was designed to call by bell, the monks to the services.
A problem with timing everything purely by sunrise and sunset is that it makes for a very seasonal life, and the higher the latitude the greater the problem. This does cause some difficulties for Muslims during Ramadan, and I think many of those in Canada now fast by the times in Mecca (not far off 6am to 6pm.)
What our modern society has done is compress everything into minute (and minute) packets of time, and allowed us to live outside of such natural inconveniences as light and dark. This is not only bad for our background health as diurnal animals, but directly it creates our slavish, panicky fears:
- the "last minute", (Why leave it till then?)
- "I don't have time to eat breakfast!" (Go to bed and rise 15 minutes earlier, then);
- "It's Christmas next week and I've still not bought Aunt Lulu's present / made the pudding / covered the house in 50kW of garish lighting"... (Not very good at planning, are you?)
- "Useless! The train was 10 minutes late again! Twice in one year!!" (And? It only matters if it makes you miss an onwards connection) ;
- "Sorry I'm half an hour late. My 'sat-nag'* said I'd arrive at 11:55! It's hopeless!" (No - you are hopeless at allowing sufficient time for real journeys in real conditions and within the speed-limits.)
- the habit of film and TV producers to ram as long a credits-list as possible into as short an interval as possible, so making it unreadable;
- the broadcasters' need to read news and weather summaries as rapidly and shortly as possible ("need"? No!)
- the lack of brief silences and pauses on so many radio channels. (Why can't we stop for breath and thought?)
- and so on.
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* 'Sat-nag' - Not I, but a friend, coined that nick-name for the 'sat-nav'.
The problem is our society at large, irrespective of how it is administered, has locked itself into rhythms dictated by the clock and could not function without it. That has been so for at two millenia in the "West" - possibly longer still in the ancient cultures of India and China.
Seasonal and New Year timings have been critical to Mankind since the dawn of agriculture, and although we can't actually prove the point except circumstantially, it's thought Stonehenge and similar monuments originally acted as simple calendars (among other functions).
The Ancient Greeks, I think it was, had their Clepsydra - simple water-clocks.
The Mediaeval monks in their European monasteries marked the hours of the day to regulate their services around which the rest of their activities revolved. The world's oldest known clock still working, now preserved in Salisbury Cathedral, has no dial and hands and did not strike the hours of the day as such, but was designed to call by bell, the monks to the services.
A problem with timing everything purely by sunrise and sunset is that it makes for a very seasonal life, and the higher the latitude the greater the problem. This does cause some difficulties for Muslims during Ramadan, and I think many of those in Canada now fast by the times in Mecca (not far off 6am to 6pm.)
What our modern society has done is compress everything into minute (and minute) packets of time, and allowed us to live outside of such natural inconveniences as light and dark. This is not only bad for our background health as diurnal animals, but directly it creates our slavish, panicky fears:
- the "last minute", (Why leave it till then?)
- "I don't have time to eat breakfast!" (Go to bed and rise 15 minutes earlier, then);
- "It's Christmas next week and I've still not bought Aunt Lulu's present / made the pudding / covered the house in 50kW of garish lighting"... (Not very good at planning, are you?)
- "Useless! The train was 10 minutes late again! Twice in one year!!" (And? It only matters if it makes you miss an onwards connection) ;
- "Sorry I'm half an hour late. My 'sat-nag'* said I'd arrive at 11:55! It's hopeless!" (No - you are hopeless at allowing sufficient time for real journeys in real conditions and within the speed-limits.)
- the habit of film and TV producers to ram as long a credits-list as possible into as short an interval as possible, so making it unreadable;
- the broadcasters' need to read news and weather summaries as rapidly and shortly as possible ("need"? No!)
- the lack of brief silences and pauses on so many radio channels. (Why can't we stop for breath and thought?)
- and so on.
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* 'Sat-nag' - Not I, but a friend, coined that nick-name for the 'sat-nav'.
RebelFox · 36-40, F
I lived and traveled in a van for 8-9 months without any clocks, calendars, schedule or plans. It was beautiful. It restored my sleep, my balance and was just more fun. Natural rhythms emerged. People don’t understand they’re in a cage. They lock themselves in and laugh at those wandering free but they’re the lost ones.
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@RebelFox @Gangstress Many are cognizant of the fact that we are stuck in a time loop, but they don't have the courage to escape for fear of going it alone.
LeopoldBloom · M
Your basic thesis is correct. We are oppressed by the clock. However, the reason for that is when you have a high-tech, data-driven economy, you can't just tell someone to meet you when the sun is at the treetops. You need to know what time it is. There are over 8 billion people in the world right now. We can't all be subsistence farmers.
Unlike you, I lived for several years in a clock-free, subsistence farming community. In some ways, it was great. If you wanted to talk to someone, you walked over to their house and knocked. With no phones, there was no way to call ahead, so you were always welcome. When kids weren't helping their parents work the family fields, they played in the street all day and nothing happened to them. Crime was virtually unknown. Religion had a secure place in the public square (OK, it was Sunni Islam, so you wouldn't have liked that part).
The problem is that the earth's carrying capacity will only allow at most half a billion people if everyone lives that lifestyle. So what's your plan for the other seven and a half? Gas chambers?
But if you're keen on that lifestyle, you can emigrate. I asked someone what would happen if I gave up my US citizenship and applied for citizenship there. The answer was "soyez la bienvenue" (sorry, no English - you can get by with French but you will also need to learn one of the local languages).
A ton appel, Mali,
Pour ta prospérité
Fidèle à ton destin
Nous seron tous unis,
Un peuple, un but, une foi.
Pour une Afrique unie
Si l'ennemi découvre son front
Au dedans ou au dehors
Debout sur les remparts
Nous sommes résolus de mourir.
CHORUS
Pour l'Afrique et pour toi, Mali
Notre drapeau sera liberté.
Pour l'Afrique et pour toi, Mali
Notre combat sera unité.
O Mali d'aujourd'hui,
O Mali, de demain
Les champs fleurissent d'espérance,
Les curs vibren de confidance.
Debout, villes et campagnes,
Debout, femmes, jeunes et vieux
Pour la Patrie en marche
Vers l'avenir radeiux
Pour notre dignité.
Renforçons bien nos rangs,
Pour le salut public
Forgeons le bien commun
Ensemble, au coude à coude
Faisons le chantier du bonheur.
CHORUS
La voie est dure, très dure
Qui mène au bonheur commun
Courage et dévouement,
Vigilance à tout moment,
(repeat previous two lines)
Vérité des temps anciens,
Vérité des tous les jours,
Le bonheur par le labeur
Fera la Mali de demain.
CHORUS
L'Afrique se lève enfin
Saluons ce jour nouveau.
Saluons la liberté,
Marchons ver l'unité.
Dignité retrouvée
Soutient notre combat.
Fidelès à notre serment
De faire l'Afrique unie
Ensemble, debout mes frères
Tous au rendez-vous de l'honneur.
Unlike you, I lived for several years in a clock-free, subsistence farming community. In some ways, it was great. If you wanted to talk to someone, you walked over to their house and knocked. With no phones, there was no way to call ahead, so you were always welcome. When kids weren't helping their parents work the family fields, they played in the street all day and nothing happened to them. Crime was virtually unknown. Religion had a secure place in the public square (OK, it was Sunni Islam, so you wouldn't have liked that part).
The problem is that the earth's carrying capacity will only allow at most half a billion people if everyone lives that lifestyle. So what's your plan for the other seven and a half? Gas chambers?
But if you're keen on that lifestyle, you can emigrate. I asked someone what would happen if I gave up my US citizenship and applied for citizenship there. The answer was "soyez la bienvenue" (sorry, no English - you can get by with French but you will also need to learn one of the local languages).
A ton appel, Mali,
Pour ta prospérité
Fidèle à ton destin
Nous seron tous unis,
Un peuple, un but, une foi.
Pour une Afrique unie
Si l'ennemi découvre son front
Au dedans ou au dehors
Debout sur les remparts
Nous sommes résolus de mourir.
CHORUS
Pour l'Afrique et pour toi, Mali
Notre drapeau sera liberté.
Pour l'Afrique et pour toi, Mali
Notre combat sera unité.
O Mali d'aujourd'hui,
O Mali, de demain
Les champs fleurissent d'espérance,
Les curs vibren de confidance.
Debout, villes et campagnes,
Debout, femmes, jeunes et vieux
Pour la Patrie en marche
Vers l'avenir radeiux
Pour notre dignité.
Renforçons bien nos rangs,
Pour le salut public
Forgeons le bien commun
Ensemble, au coude à coude
Faisons le chantier du bonheur.
CHORUS
La voie est dure, très dure
Qui mène au bonheur commun
Courage et dévouement,
Vigilance à tout moment,
(repeat previous two lines)
Vérité des temps anciens,
Vérité des tous les jours,
Le bonheur par le labeur
Fera la Mali de demain.
CHORUS
L'Afrique se lève enfin
Saluons ce jour nouveau.
Saluons la liberté,
Marchons ver l'unité.
Dignité retrouvée
Soutient notre combat.
Fidelès à notre serment
De faire l'Afrique unie
Ensemble, debout mes frères
Tous au rendez-vous de l'honneur.
SomeMichGuy · M
Time is not a virus, and it isn't man-made.
Ways of measuring/keeping it are man-made.
Yes, you can use local solar time, but that is *very* local and not terribly useful if you are travelling, etc. It was actually the attempt to use local time for train schedules which showed the weakness of this, and helped drive the creation of time zones.
The Gregorian reform was merely to recognize that the Julian calendar did not accurately measure time, as seasons drifted. You should be behind this, as it aligned the time-*keeping* system with the natural events which are its underpinnings.
Ways of measuring/keeping it are man-made.
Yes, you can use local solar time, but that is *very* local and not terribly useful if you are travelling, etc. It was actually the attempt to use local time for train schedules which showed the weakness of this, and helped drive the creation of time zones.
The Gregorian reform was merely to recognize that the Julian calendar did not accurately measure time, as seasons drifted. You should be behind this, as it aligned the time-*keeping* system with the natural events which are its underpinnings.
SW-User
Inability to coordinate efforts and having to wait around in boredom isn't the way to go. Time is a very useful concept. Forget science, scrap time, and flock to Jesus? This is koo-koo for coco puffs.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
yeah that's just capitalism. It's bad tho, but no conspiracy.
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@CountScrofula Something to note here: while conservatives rightly condemn socialism and communism as evil, isn't it funny how they still haven't likewise condemned capitalism as evil? They still haven't seen through it.
Communism and Anglo-Saxon capitalism have both failed. The rivalry between Marxist-inspired movements and capitalism has always been an illusion. Marxism, Communism and liberalism have been and continue to be exploited by the forces of international capitalism to further their global agenda, despite their surface disagreements. The ultimate goal of capitalism is to create a worldwide collectivist society of consumers, and Marxism is merely one means of attaining this.
Capitalism and communism are two ideologies that take the human being and make him into a cog in a greater machine. Communism wages a war of the poor against the rich. Capitalism is a war of the rich against the poor. Both of these ideologies poison the national community. They tear about the working class. They tear apart families, and they turn the nation into one giant fire sale, to be able to say that whoever has the most money or the most power is able to loot and pillage it.
Communism and Anglo-Saxon capitalism have both failed. The rivalry between Marxist-inspired movements and capitalism has always been an illusion. Marxism, Communism and liberalism have been and continue to be exploited by the forces of international capitalism to further their global agenda, despite their surface disagreements. The ultimate goal of capitalism is to create a worldwide collectivist society of consumers, and Marxism is merely one means of attaining this.
Capitalism and communism are two ideologies that take the human being and make him into a cog in a greater machine. Communism wages a war of the poor against the rich. Capitalism is a war of the rich against the poor. Both of these ideologies poison the national community. They tear about the working class. They tear apart families, and they turn the nation into one giant fire sale, to be able to say that whoever has the most money or the most power is able to loot and pillage it.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Peaceandnamaste · 26-30, F
That’s the only thing from you that makes sense except the flat earth and religious stuff.
How can i bookmark this post? 💎
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@truegen Go to the 3 bars at the top right corner of your screen and click on it and you will see a bookmarks tab, typically right under history and downloads.
@SW-User Wow, they've added the bookmark feature in these couple of days!
Victorian · 56-60, F
What are signs and symptoms of the timevirus?
SW-User
@Victorian Anxiety, panic attacks, depression, suicidal thoughts, disassociation, unconsciousness, delusional thoughts such as "there is something other than NOW". When in actuality, once the "future" arrives it is still now and when we were in the past, what was it? Now. The time virus is the source of most mental illness in society.
I’m feelin this.
LordShadowfire · 100+, M
