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DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
MethDozer · M
@DeWayfarer How does that make any sense. That's appples and oranges. They are both using the scientific method. Yet in this example these two groups only one is practicing what is traditionally and by definition engineering. The two activities share no similarities or concepts with each other.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@MethDozer tell that to a science teacher that pulls out phosphorus out of water to show the difference between a chemical reaction and a physical reaction.
Engines of all kinds where made throughout the ages even catapults were considered mechanical engines.
Any that "operated" them were all called engineers long before the profession of engineering ever happened.
Engines of all kinds where made throughout the ages even catapults were considered mechanical engines.
Any that "operated" them were all called engineers long before the profession of engineering ever happened.
MethDozer · M
@DeWayfarer I will tell that to a teacher and will agree.
Ugh you're kinda wrong. Engineering originally meant designing and building before it meant operating. An operator wasn't called an engineer.
Ugh you're kinda wrong. Engineering originally meant designing and building before it meant operating. An operator wasn't called an engineer.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@MethDozer wrong. Many forms of catapults. All that "operated" them were called "engineers" and their inventors were called nothing more than inventors.
MethDozer · M
@DeWayfarer I call bullshit. I never once read about siege weapon operating soldier called engineers in any history book or historical account. Just the people who invented them. Even in ancient Roman times and engineer was someone who designed and built.
MethDozer · M
@DeWayfarer
Middle English (denoting a designer and constructor of fortifications and weapons; formerly also as ingineer ): in early use from Old French engigneor, from medieval Latin ingeniator, from ingeniare ‘contrive, devise’, from Latin ingenium (see engine); in later use from French ingénieur or Italian ingegnere, also based on Latin ingenium, with the ending influenced by -eer.
ingenium (genitive ingeniī) (neut.) innate or natural quality, natural character; nature. disposition, temper, inclination. intelligence, natural capacity.
So ummmmmm, yeahhhhhh
Middle English (denoting a designer and constructor of fortifications and weapons; formerly also as ingineer ): in early use from Old French engigneor, from medieval Latin ingeniator, from ingeniare ‘contrive, devise’, from Latin ingenium (see engine); in later use from French ingénieur or Italian ingegnere, also based on Latin ingenium, with the ending influenced by -eer.
ingenium (genitive ingeniī) (neut.) innate or natural quality, natural character; nature. disposition, temper, inclination. intelligence, natural capacity.
So ummmmmm, yeahhhhhh
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@MethDozer now go back further...
Notice the similarities of "Onager" and "engineer".
The Roman Onager
The catapult was a weapon used since ancient times. In its most basic form, the catapult may be described as a “one-armed stone thrower”. In the Roman world, a catapult-like siege engine known as the ‘onager’ (meaning ‘wild ass’) was used when the Romans were besieging an enemy. One suggestion for this name’s origins is that the Romans likened the stones that were hurled by the catapult to the rocks kicked up behind galloping hooves.
The catapult was a weapon used since ancient times. In its most basic form, the catapult may be described as a “one-armed stone thrower”. In the Roman world, a catapult-like siege engine known as the ‘onager’ (meaning ‘wild ass’) was used when the Romans were besieging an enemy. One suggestion for this name’s origins is that the Romans likened the stones that were hurled by the catapult to the rocks kicked up behind galloping hooves.
Notice the similarities of "Onager" and "engineer".
MethDozer · M
@DeWayfarer That's not the etymology of the word. You can't go back farther than. The root word which is ingenium, not onager. Your conflating two unrelated words.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@MethDozer etymologists are not historians. And the two rarely agree.
MethDozer · M
@DeWayfarer Etymologies most certainly are a type of historian. A historian that specializes in the history of word development. Plus as I have shown tou aren't even using the correct root word since Onager and engineer aren't even related in any way.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
MethDozer · M
@DeWayfarer Just the facts, lots of people think opinions can superceed facts. But 4eality is they dont.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@MethDozer this can go on forever! The moment you took etymology as historical fact you have expanded it to an endless argument so....
𝓗𝓪𝓿𝓮 𝓪 𝓰𝓸𝓸𝓭 𝓭𝓪𝔂! 😊
MethDozer · M
@DeWayfarer Well etymology is historical fact. It is a fact the root word of engineer is Ingenium and not onager
MethDozer · M
@DeWayfarer Etymologist
Profession
/ˌet.ɪˈmɒl.ə.dʒɪst/ a person who studies the origin and history of words: He was known as an etymologist as well as for his poetry. The task of our etymologist is to determine the earliest recorded occurrence of a word.
Profession
/ˌet.ɪˈmɒl.ə.dʒɪst/ a person who studies the origin and history of words: He was known as an etymologist as well as for his poetry. The task of our etymologist is to determine the earliest recorded occurrence of a word.
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