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Do you support dividing America into two? Blue states vs Red states?

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Yulianna · 26-30, F
the world needs America, despite all its failings and lapses, as a counterbalance to the authoritarian regimes of China and Russia, the populist dictatorships of Turkey, Brazil, India (democracy? lol!), and the Islamic theocracies hell bent on destroying enlightenment liberal values.

and to all those Americans to whom liberal has become a dirty word, i suggest you try to express your freedoms in an illiberal country.
TheArbitrator · 36-40, M
@Yulianna We are far beyond that. We haven't had enough influence to stop China or Russia since Obama took office. America is now just hanging on by a thread.
Yulianna · 26-30, F
@TheArbitrator defeatest, and i am sorry to say, a bit silly... you have no idea what either china or russia would have done without the presence of even a severely weakened USA. actually, we have a very clear idea... taiwan would be another hong kong, but with serious bloodshed, russia would have engineered invasions of latvia, lithuania, estonia, just as it did with georgia and my country, ukraine, where the current invasion would be much more widespread. turkey would be invading syria, trying to reestablish the ottoman empire. iran would now have a nuclear bomb, except that israel would have preempted this by nuking iran and threatening the same to saudi arabia if it didn't shut up.

you really think you have no power and influence in the world? just look beyond your borders.
@Yulianna Very intelligent answer but we are on a downward slope.
Yulianna · 26-30, F
@NoGamesTolerated so do something about that and get back in the game.
@Yulianna If it were only that simple. There’s a deep and wide swamp as crooked as a very curvy highway at play.. They no longer want a successful America ...
Yulianna · 26-30, F
@NoGamesTolerated the people who no longer want a successful America are Russians, Chinese, Iranians, north Koreans... yes, you have enemies in the world, and you have internal enemies. it is always this way.

and what is this deep and wide swamp? where is it? who is it? why does it want to destroy America?
TheArbitrator · 36-40, M
@Yulianna Taiwan was historically apart of China until the Japanese Empire defeated the Qing Dynasty in the Sino-Japanese war and forced China to relinquish the territory. China has every right to take back what the Japanese imperialists and British colonialists took. Why should the world be afraid of China? The USA has invaded far more countries than China has. In addition to genocide of Native Americans, enslavement, oppression and discrimination of blacks, the US continues to oppress any nation who fails to adopt our ideas of democracy and capitalism - except those whom we get something from, like Saudi Arabia.

We are at our wits end because we have accumulated too many adversaries and the only solution is that the US stop meddling in foreign affairs. We have issues within our own borders that need to be resolved.

Serious bloodshed

Are you serious? What do you think is going on right now in the Middle-East? The US empowered & armed 90% of the radical Jihadist terrorist groups, including members of Al Qaeda, ISIL, and ISIS. We have caused more bloodshed than Russia, Iran and China combined. Not even sure why you mention China. China hasn't invaded or colonialized any country. That was the US and Great Britain.
Yulianna · 26-30, F
@TheArbitrator ok, i'm sorry to point it out but i seem to be dealing with someone of level of emotional and historical ignorance beyond even my original thoughts.

China hasn't invaded or colonised any country

well, so much for Tibet then...

China has every right to take back...

add the Taiwanese people to the Tibetans, beyond your care and concern.

Why should the world be afraid of China?

the Uighur people and citizens
of Hong Kong probably have quite a few answers to that question, but again you don't seem to care about people, or maybe you have the excuse of ignorance.

Are you serious?

well, yes, i am very serious, and i am informed about the real world, not the dark and apparently deeply satisfying hell of self flagellation that you choose to inhabit. do you hate your country so much that you relish accusing it of being responsible for islamic terrorism and more bloodshed than Russia, China and Iran combined?

why are you not living in any of these countries?

or would that be too much like opening your eyes to the world?
TheArbitrator · 36-40, M
@Yulianna
well, so much for Tibet then...

Again, reclaiming territory is not the same as violating a country's sovereignty - something that the USA has an unrivalled reputation for. Tibet has been an integral part of China since the Yuan Dynasty in the 13th century and China has had some degree of suzerainty there ever since. In the 18th century, China actually liberated Tibet by defeating the Zunghar Khanatet. Prior to China's so-called "invasion" of Tibet, Tibet wasn't even recognized as a state; it was subject to chaos and feuds. Furthermore, China never sought to oppress or impose its will on Tibet. The region remains Autonomous, and China has respected the customs and laws of the Tibetans.

add the Taiwanese people to the Tibetans, beyond your care and concern.

Again, Taiwan (Republic of China) is apart of China. Taiwan was annexed from China by Japanese Imperialists. Yes, China has a right to take it back.

the Uighur people and citizens
of Hong Kong

China is a sovereign country. What China does within its borders is its business. We have our own human rights violations here in the US where blacks are treated as second class citizens, but I guess that doesn't bother you much. The resistance of many of the citizens of Hong Kong (not all) is a clear result of cultural conditioning and indoctrination implemented by the British colonialists. China is only trying to reverse the effects of British colonialism. Hong Kong belongs to China. Why is that so hard for you to accept?

do you hate your country so much that you relish accusing it of being responsible for Islamic terrorism and more bloodshed than Russia, China and Iran combined?

It's well-documented that from 1979-1989, the CIA funded & armed Al Qaeda, and empowered Osama Bin Laden, in efforts to remove Russia from Afghanistan. This information can be obtained from the US Library of Congress - Operation Cyclone. During the Libyan revolution of 2011, the Obama administration gave weapons & military strategic support to rebel fighters in order to overthrow Muammar Gaddafi. Those very same rebels went on to form ISIL and ISIS.