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I think Trump should be impeached and removed to set a precedent

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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
As long as it via impeachment... which is quite the task to do. Then I agree.
For people that believe in that 25 amendment road, I honestly think that would set a dangerous precedent.
Yulianna · 22-25, F
@Kwek00 as it is allowed in the constitution, it would not be a precedent, dangerous or otherwise.

it is exactly for these circumstances that the amendment is intended.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Yulianna Well, it would kinda be the first time ever that a president of the US gets removed from office.

Ussually these things strand in the senate. Impeachment itself is not a precedent, but the removal would be. And if the investigation [i](political trial)[/i] in the senate leads too actual criminal fact that can be prosecuted. Maybe they should do that too, because this also has never been done.

Honestly, when it comes to political responsibility and living up to it, western democracies are ussually pretty bad. Mostly because [i]national agendas[/i] or [i]party politics[/i] or the [i]iron law of olicharcy[/i] comes in the way of how the seperation of powers is supposed to work in theory. Verry often, "the state" as a governement body that relies on the 3 branches governing themselves create situations that lead to a feeling of "unjustice" with the civilians. And the only things civilians can do is vote the politicians out of office. This feeling of unjustice is part of why people loose faith in democracy. A bit more consistency should absolutely be warnted from those in power.
Yulianna · 22-25, F
@Kwek00 maybe it would make sense for trump to resign as POTUS and let pence succeed him.

pence can then use his presidential powers to pardon trump and all his family.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@Yulianna That's the deal that was made during Nixons days, because it was better for the party then to face the scandal. I know you are being saracastic, but I just want to point out the obvious that this is exactly the kind of action that destroys peoples' faith in democracy.
@Yulianna that’s a cynical thought.
Yulianna · 22-25, F
@Kwek00 🙄 i was not being sarcastic... i believe this could actually happen.

Trump is facing many months, even years, in various courts if he cannot get a presidential pardon. even then, he could face many non federal cases.

He may have made some strong loyalists, but he also has made many bitter enemies.
Yulianna · 22-25, F
@TheSirfurryanimalWales in his position, what i would do. let's face it, the man has no morals and his embarrassment threshold is... well, you know what i mean.
@Yulianna yes..😲