How do you recognise a white supremacist ?

@Notauser have you met anyone like that ?

@Notauser well, that leaves me out of their club.

@GERRI I should hope so! ;)

@revenant oh I really have. Some FN in France, many Right wingers in the USA.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_white_nationalist_organizations

I've also met this attitude in people who didn't even realise they were racist. For example students who were of the following persuasion: 'sure Asians are better than us at X but on the whole of it, they have small dicks and weak bodies', and 'black people are stronger than us sure, but we're smarter'. So we're the 'best of all worlds' 'golden mean'

But is this harmful. We see differences in animal breeds. It doesn’t mean we don’t think they’re good or interesting. @Notauser

@Notauser I am in a relationship with a chinese lady and I am white. We notice trends in each other's cultures but that does not mean we are racist, it just means we have a brain...

@Notauser That reminds me of a black friend I had. We were joking around a lot and one day we were talking about physical strength and that she did not like white guys because they were soft.
She invited me to touch her arms and bicepts to prove to me that black people had more muscles. I did and she was right !
I was a softie too ahah🙂 @pianoplayingsteve
I have been with chinese guys and yeah...there are trends too ! what is wrong with the truth ?

@pianoplayingsteve they're cultural differences not racial.

@revenant there is something wrong with thinking that the differences in cultures are inherently tied to race. Culture and race are different concepts. It may be that you're not racist at all, but there ARE racists who think that the cultural behaviours of some people are tied to their genetics/race. This is absurd because there is not even a scientific definition of race.

@Notauser I have lived in Asia and I can tell you that people over there can be very racist but it is not a "in your face" kind of racism.

@revenant I've lived in Asia too. They can be incredibly racist. by the formal definition, they often think that black people *just are* likely to be a certain way because of their race (irrespective of their upbringing), and same for whites. And each other, Japanese, Chinese etc... But that doesn't get at what I was saying. The content of my reply there had much more in it.

@Notauser yes you talk about culture but races have cultures in common.

@revenant but a kid who was adopted by white parents wouldn't have those cultural characteristics. Any one who thought that, would be a racist. Even if they thought the characteristics are positive.

@revenant races have cultures in common - this is false actually.

@Notauser how so ?

@revenant I'm waiting for that explanation, as well

@revenant (a) what is your definition of a race? It can't be genetic, because you'd need a set of markers that properly circumscribe that 'race'. If you can name the 'chinese or, white, or turkish genes' that exclude say 'burmese' and 'Finnish' 'Hungarian' 'North African' 'Spanish'... What makes (b) How are you defining similarity. It seems to me human cultures are massively overlapping for many things, but even people we know split only very recently from each other can have very different cultures, whole religions that are different, different ways of living etc... I'd say geographical proximity is a better indicator of similarity than their genetics. Clearly there's no genetic propensity to religion, or styles of dress, or name one if you there is...

@Notauser @Notauser that is splitting hairs a lot. People in general understand the notion of race. There was a long discussion about it just a few days ago. Yes there is overlapping and all that. And yes there are genetic markers.

@revenant It's not splitting hairs it's being technically correct. Truth matters. People have a general *misunderstanding* about race. They think there are X-number of races. There aren't. There are genes. What people mean by race usually is culture. Not even outward physical look. Next, for what you said to be true there needs a statistically significant deterministic relationship between *genotype* and cultural expression. If you can do it feel free, but I don't think it's possible to even get started with trying to demonstrate it. Conclusion: we see genetic gradience, and gradient culture and no deterministic connection between race and culture. To think otherwise is inherently racist (and that wouldn't make it bad necessarily) but it's not even a fact.

@Notauser well you should not say racist but genist no ?🙃

@revenant what most people do is not this, they just use any category of race that works for them based on looks rather than genetics, at any granularity, and then they cherry pick some cultural characteristics and say boom there it is: slanty eyes = they work hard, they eat rice, drive badly, can't dance, proof = chinese, japanese, korean but exclude vietnamese, cambodian, burmese.... whoever doesn't fit, for literally no reason. It's a circular argument.

@revenant yes! ultimately race is a cultural construct, not a scientific fact based in genetics.

@Notauser oh but the Chinese, Japanese, Burman,, Viets, Cammbodian etc do have overlapping cultures.
It is like in the West ! cultures may be different of course but there is still a common heritage.

@Notauser That is your argument. Forensics say otherwise.

@revenant "forensics"? What's that? about your above point, yes they have some things that overlap, and many differences. 'common heritage' doesn't mean 'common descent' since these all have different language families, Sino-Tibetan (Chinese and Burmese), Vietnamese and Cambodian completely different one, Japanese (different again), Korean (different again). What they have in common is *cultural*. Indian exported civilisation in the ancient past (ankhor wat etc...) and then Buddhism in China and then spread to Japan, and Chinese civilisation and culture later on.