Hitler's Nazis were socialists, so can someone explain how today's Nazis are Right-wing?
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AuRevoir · 36-40, M
@QuixoticSoul Quit lying to yourself
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@AuRevoir I am not. Nazis were right wing ultra-nationalists with a particular focus on race, it's really quite simple.
At some point nazism also became a shorthand for generic authoritarianism, which is why the whole "no you're the nazi" and "the left are the real nazis" nonsense happens - but authoritarianism is non-denominational.
The way it's often used in modern political speech is just a vague synonym for "asshole".
At some point nazism also became a shorthand for generic authoritarianism, which is why the whole "no you're the nazi" and "the left are the real nazis" nonsense happens - but authoritarianism is non-denominational.
The way it's often used in modern political speech is just a vague synonym for "asshole".
AuRevoir · 36-40, M
@QuixoticSoul Plenty of laws and policies Hitler passed are things socialist ask to be passed as well.. So only seeing one side of the coin is exactly what you're doing. "No they're the Nazi.."
I'll stick to seeing the the subject as a whole.. Not one sided garble..
One of the obvious things being big government.
I'll stick to seeing the the subject as a whole.. Not one sided garble..
One of the obvious things being big government.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@AuRevoir [quote]Plenty of laws and policies Hitler passed are things socialist ask to be passed as well.. So only seeing one side of the coin is exactly what you're doing. "No they're the Nazi.."[/quote]
Hitler's government did a lot of stuff, much of it the sort of stuff any government would do - a lot of it quite pragmatic and sometimes effective. That doesn't mean anything. For example, Hitler (eventually) presented and supported a plan for a national highway system. Later, the US implemented a national highway system. That doesn't mean we're nazis. It doesn't even mean that the policy is right or left wing - and you can probably present it from several perspectives.
The essential foundation and theory behind the third Reich is hyper-right wing.
[quote]One of the obvious things being big government.[/quote]
That... is not a right or left thing, lmao. You realize that "The Left" includes [i]anarchists[/i], right? And democrats and republicans are [i]both[/i] "big government" parties.
Stop thinking of these things in terms of a strict line. Nazis are right wing, Communists are left wing - but that doesn't mean that democrats are communists, or that republicans are nazis. The left/right binary division covers a whole lot of quite unrelated groups and political philosophies.
Hitler's government did a lot of stuff, much of it the sort of stuff any government would do - a lot of it quite pragmatic and sometimes effective. That doesn't mean anything. For example, Hitler (eventually) presented and supported a plan for a national highway system. Later, the US implemented a national highway system. That doesn't mean we're nazis. It doesn't even mean that the policy is right or left wing - and you can probably present it from several perspectives.
The essential foundation and theory behind the third Reich is hyper-right wing.
[quote]One of the obvious things being big government.[/quote]
That... is not a right or left thing, lmao. You realize that "The Left" includes [i]anarchists[/i], right? And democrats and republicans are [i]both[/i] "big government" parties.
Stop thinking of these things in terms of a strict line. Nazis are right wing, Communists are left wing - but that doesn't mean that democrats are communists, or that republicans are nazis. The left/right binary division covers a whole lot of quite unrelated groups and political philosophies.
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@QuixoticSoul Yeah, I agree. Big government is not right or left. I used to buy into the crap the right wingers were saying, but come on? They're both big government. The right-wing spends trillions on military but refuse to spend money on education and social welfare programs. Same as Hitler, he used deficit spending to grow the military but privatized social programs.