Dear British People,

enough is enough.
Really. Stop making an ass of yourselves. You are nice and kind and lovely people, do you really want to become the laughing stock of the civilized world?
"The people have spoken", haha. Just accept the fact that Brexit was/is/will always be a textbook example of a crackpot idea that leads nowhere but down.
Now get rid of the Demonic Possession and come back home please. We Europeans aren't perfect either, and we will happily accept your sincere apologies. Just send us a bottle of Isle of Skye whisky and an annual subscription to the Royal Shakespeare Company, and we will be fine. See you in Paris/Berlin/Rome next summer, let's get drunk [and I [u]mean[/u] drunk!], and let's have a good laugh together, about this present madness. 🌷

Yours cordially,
helenS.

[[b]Note added: this post is no longer relevant[/b]. The majority of British people have now decided, at their peril, to harm their own interests, and "get Brexit done". So be it. Go find more trustworthy friends. Mr. Trump is waiting for you. 😕]

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Platinum · M

What Europeans don't understand, we love Europe , just not the eu...brexit is real and would be great for my country...but if Tory win the GE with a majority and they vote in BJ deal, it will tie us to the eu for years to come and we will be paying them billions every year, freedom of movement, under their rules and no say in anything they do or decide....so remainers and the traitorous MPs will have helped destroy the uk.....that is democracy...

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@Platinum the EEC as a common market was a great idea. But they let power take over and came up with treaty after treaty granting themselves more power. And absolute power corrupts. Suddenly it had its own Parliament , its own flag and then its own currency

It was no longer a common market it was becoming a federal super state

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@Platinum article 132 of the Withdrawal Bill states that the transition period which ends Dec 31 2020 can be extended up to 2 years. So presumably once law we have to be fully out by 2023?

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@SW-User Juncker has gone on record today saying he believes January 31st will be the final deadline which makes Labour's position a bit awkward

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@SW-User arguably true but if they were to win a 97 scale landslide with a huge majority be difficult to ignore his mandate.
Also M. Junker is only the head of the commission it's not up to him it is the Council Of Ministers that would decide that. He can advise but ultimately he had no influence or vote at all.

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@SW-User do you think Labour can repeat the 97 landslide? I'm not convinced. They don't have a Mandelson type charecter to whip up support.

Platinum · M

@SW-User totally agree and it's definitely getting worse all the time, I don't think remainers understand what will happen if we remain..they think the Lisbon treaty is nothing to worry about, but it states in the treaty the eu can change the rules at any time...

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@Platinum that's my issue with the EU .. it grants itself too much power and was always based on unanymous decisions .. yet when Cameron vetoed the bail out of Eurozone countries the 27 went ahead and passed the bill anyway regardless

Platinum · M

@SW-User three and a half years we have got nowhere and by 2022 who really knows if the extension won't be used again, I don't trust the eu or those in this country who want to remain...his deal is not good enough....

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@Platinum what do you want in a deal you would "trust"?

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@SW-User I'd have to say no based on recent opinion polls. However there is a chance he might end up pm even with the lib Dems saying they won't prop up a minority Labour administration. However if the snp won a landslide in Scotland them supporting a Labour administration isn't out of the question.

helenS · 36-40, F

@Platinum Extensions will be granted by the EU authorities until at least 2029… 😁

Platinum · M

@SW-User the acceptable deal would on the main parts be as follows...no divorce payment as we have been paying them billions for three years with no say...control our borders and use the Australian point system...no more benefits paid until they have been here for four years and paying tax...regain our fishing rights..negotiate a good trade deal with the eu that is good for all of us...

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@Platinum
First we can't negotiate the deal until we leave. That's a basic of article 50. You have to leave before you can negotiate to rejoin. So sorry but that can't happen.

I thought the 39 billion was to cover our budget commitments which is essentially 3 years worth of contributions so given the extensions and should be less now.

The immigration system will be ours to determine once fully left as will benefit rules. Although for asylum seekers I don't think existing treaties would allow what you want there.

Interesting you have no requirement over the Irish backstop which seemed to have been main reason original deal failed in the commons. I take it therefore you'd not be bothered to put a customs boarder in the Irish Sea so we maintain the commitment under the Belfast agreement?

Platinum · M

We could make a deal in the transition period, but I think once we have left, I still think we will be trading under art 24 ...the I'm not bothered about the Irish border, there are many ways they can resolve that problem...there is hardly anything in the Belfast agreement about leaving the eu...the points I've listed are the ones that interest me...I never mentioned rejoining...they will change our laws once we leave...@SW-User