with Trump opening up some Alaskan wilderness...

@TexChik Don't they always.

@eli1601 so it seems

@TexChik maybe... Maybe not... I'm sure the same argument was made before that little fiasco with the Exon Valdese ...

@ozgirl512 what has that got to do with drilling ??

@TexChik making the hole is only part of the process

@ozgirl512 I am fully aware of all the processes involved with drilling for oil ... are you ?

@TexChik probably not...I just know that Murphy has a way of turning up at inopportune times

@ozgirl512 knee jerk liberal reaction to a process that is highly controlled and very accurate ... and well planned

@TexChik once again I mention the Exon Valdese... And a certain BP platform in the gulf ... You do realise the effects of the Exon ship are still being cleaned up and the effects are still there

@ozgirl512 that was a an oil spill at sea ... not a land based accident

@TexChik as I mentioned before, making the hole is only part of the process

@TexChik @ozgirl512 The oil from the Exxon Valdez spill however did come from an Alaskan Land Based oil field at Prudhoe Bay. So yes it was from an accident at sea from a single skin hulled tanker (now outlawed in US waters) but the oil itself was from a land based oil field.

@KiwiBird yes But that has nothing to do with land based drilling. Which she implied would devastate the Alaskan wilderness

@TexChik Surely transport is part of the process. The Prudhoe Bay oil field has also been in trouble from leaking pipelines and in 2012 the State of Alaska was awarded over $225 million in damages from pipeline leakage land based operations.

@TexChik Drilling can often be (at least a bit) harmful even without oil spill or so. Because heavy metals that are released from the rocks do tend to be harmful to nature.

@TageWestin I have never read a report where there was any long term environmental Impact from land based drilling . And I have read hundreds .

@TexChik Reports about what? ... Have you, for example, read about mining; that it can ruin the environment?

@TageWestin I have read the environmental impact reports about drill sites for the last 15 years from one oil co. Can ruin or doesruin? One is Hyperbole the other is BS. The facts say something else.

@TexChik Do you mean all of those reports came from the same source? If so, it seems to me to be quite one-sided information. But I'm not an expert on this subject. I simply have heard from some people who wrere earth-scientists or something in my neighborhood that there is environmental damage to bursting rocks and so.

@TageWestin 🙄. Sorry it’s not all doom and gloom . Drilling does not harm the environment . We can’t go back to the Stone Age because libs get their panties in a knot now can we ?

@TageWestin Farming is ruining the environment far more than oil production. Pipeline transportation of oil has been proven to be the safest means of transporting oil. If you look at it realistically then you would know this. Train shipping crude oil has killed a lot of prople and has polluted more water than any other means.
What is very hypocritical are the people that protest oil pipelines; look at what they wear - clothes and shoes made from oil. Look at how they got to the protest site - cars / trucks / buses that depend on oil. Look at the mess they left after the protests - tarps, baby diapers, plastic bottles and eating utensils made from petroleum. Take a moment and think of how you received all the food you eat and the products you use - they got to you using petroleum.

Now think of how you are going to stop the stuff from being shipped; it is up to you to stop using the stuff by not wearing it, eating stuff being shipped, using it on your lawns and especially stop buying stuff that has been raised on farms as that is polluting our oceans and drinking water far more than what is being spilled by accident as farmers spread herbicides, pesticides, fertilizers on the soil that foes into our water. Every year farmers put in thousands of miles of tile made from petroleum. And that ethanol gas you might put in your car would not exist if was not for the farmers polluting and the trucks that haul the stuff burning .............petroleum. Feel like a hypocrite yet? You should and maybe best if you do not whine about a spill.

@acpguy Simply that oil is useful does not necessarily mean it's safe.

@TageWestin You really have reading comprehension problems or you did not read my post. I did not say oil is safe only pointed out the safest way to ship it.

The only way you stop using oil, producing or shipping oil is to stop using the shit you are right now. All the talk by liberals like you will not do anything. What kind of shoes do you wear? Those made over seas in sweat shops by under paid children made of fabric made from oil? How about your polyester, spandex (that shouldn't be worn by fat ladies anyway) and your non-organic coat?

Try to think for yourself and do some background as to why we produce oil and ship it. I imagine you suffer from TDS also.

@acpguy It doesn't quite seem impossible to stop using oil. Besides fairly far from all farmers use fossil fuel. I agree that some farmers suck at being ecological enough, but why try to make me feel guilty about that? I'm not one of them!

I did already realize none-fuel uses for oil are plentiful. They are probably harder to be without, but - at least sort of - not impossible. But, also, I'm not saying "stop all oil", as you seem to be insinuating, though I do say that there are examples of people all hyped up about defending oil. These people are reason enough for me to protest against their malignancy and hypocrisy.

@TageWestin "Besides fairly far from all farmers use fossil fuel."
Where do you live? Must not be in the USA or in an Ag area. I live in the midwest and all farmers use petroleum products heavily: fuel for equipment, petroleum products for herbicides / pesticides, propane for drying grains and lots of fuel for hauling grain to elevators. Our neighboring state made it mandatory that farmers use soy diesel so now they come to the state I live in to fill their trucks and get tanks filled to take home because the soy diesel ruins engines and does not work when the temperature drops below 35 F.

You should feel very guilty and ashamed to even go after any oil production or transportation of oil as long as you use it either for transportation, heating, air conditioning (as many electrical producers use natural gas to generate electricity and it is a byproduct of oil production), the clothes /shoes you wear and the furniture you place your butt on. The "non-fuel" uses of oil can be avoided as we did in the past; such as cotton / wool for clothes, wood for furniture and heat, leather for shoes and may other natural products. There will be some fuel usage to haul and produce finished goods. Trees can be replanted, crops can be treated organically for bugs, cattle reproduce easily along with other animals.

Try to think beyond your own little world and your liberal news brain washing.