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Do things only exist if humans have proof ?

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Yes of course
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Do things only exist if humans have indispensable proof? This seems to be the backbone of many arguments. Can things exist that humans are completely unaware of ?
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SW-User
Existence doesn't rely on proof but a claim of existence does. You cannot reasonably claim the existence of something with no proof of its existence, either by means of science or sampling. If there is not even a credible and tested theory which supports the existence of something then it's really just fanciful at best.

If we entertain the idea of the existence of that which no evidence supports then we might as well start speaking of unicorns and talking leopards.
Maximusmax · M
@SW-User we can claim anything. But what happens when there is a 50/50 split
Poppies · 61-69, F
Very reasonable and well-explained argument. Give this man BA!@SW-User
SW-User
@Maximusmax We can claim anything but we can't substantiate just anything. When there is a 50/50 split of opinion on the evidence provided, assuming there is any evidence at all, then it's for the individual to decide where they fall. A valid claim of existence is not the same as a belief of existence. You can believe what you want.
Maximusmax · M
@Poppies well I don't think there is much support for talking leopards as other more credible subjects.
Maximusmax · M
@SW-User good point. But whether you believe or not or have proof or not can something exist. Credibility comes into play when people might claim a talking unicorn and no one else claims to have seen it. If millions or even billions claim to have seen it then it gives credibility to its existence even without scientific proof which also has its limits especially when it comes to feelings and the spiritual realm
SW-User
@Maximusmax I disagree on that point. Plenty claim to have seen ghosts and yet the evidence, or complete lack of, suggests that they were entirely mistaken or just straight up lying. Plenty of people believe a whole host of things for which there is zero evidence and it does nothing to increase the credibility of their claims except among themselves and others like them. There has to be a standard of proof if there is ever to be anything approaching objectivity. The number of subscribers to a belief cannot be a standard of proof.
Maximusmax · M
@SW-User but I am not saying it exists because people believe it does just that it lends credibility. However I am asking if something can exist without proof