if the pro life men were women would they become pro choice?

if the men that are pro life were women would they become pro choice? men don't understand the kind of position women are put in when they become pregnant. I think many of them would become pro choice if they were women. they say what about the child's choice,you cant ask them so how would anyone know what their choice is. I would be more concerned with providing safe birth control. hormonal can cause cancer, condoms don't work their only good for std prevention and from what I hear it is tough for a woman without children to get a tubule ligation or cauterization.

ok follow up if people were using abortion as birth control don't you think it would be worse them having kids and not taking care of their kids and then those kids having kids? so you would be punishing them by punishing their child. many of them probably don't have the money to raise a child. if they are so irresponsible to not use birth control isnt that a bad parent because they would not teach their child to use birth control.
and I meant would more men turn pro choice not all.

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SW-User

To me it seems that the majority of pro life people is afraid that allowing abortion will lead to it being used as an alternative to contraception. That seems highly unlikely though. If we could get that misunderstanding out of the way, most people would probably be on the same page.

BryanSunshine · 51-55, M

@SW-User except the vast majority of times, abortion is used as after-the-fact contraception. The number of times it is used in cases of rape, incest and to protect the life of a mother adds up to less than 10% for all three.

SW-User

@BryanSunshine Could you give me a link to those statistics?

BryanSunshine · 51-55, M

Yup. Stand by.

rckt148 · 61-69, M

@SW-User when you know quite a few women that have had them and their only reason was "my parents would have killed me coming home pregnant "
Maybe we should stop teaching them to explore their sexuality in school until they are mature enough to deal with the outcome of unprotected sex ,
And then I hear just give them all birth control
that does not address stds like Aids
Maybe instead of showing them how to put on condoms
they should see a few videos on teens being made to listen to a heart beat ,and then let them see where the fetus ends up
and it was a tiny baby ,,it just wasn't developed yet ..but it was a baby

BryanSunshine · 51-55, M

https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/

I had to go find the video I watched, then read the notes and follow the link.

There’s the 6% “other” where we just don’t know what’s going on. That aside, 7.5% of the reasons given are valid reasons to have an abortion. All the rest amoun to nothing more that “ah shucks I just really don’t want to be pregnant and wish I hadn’t gotten knocked up.”

Edit:
I still gave you a secondary source. Here is what (as far as I can tell) is the raw source of the data:

https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/2005/reasons-us-women-have-abortions-quantitative-and-qualitative-perspectives

SW-User

@rckt148 Proper sex education is definitely the most important way to prevent pregnancies in the first place. And by "proper" I mean explaining all options, not just telling teenagers not to have sex before marriage. You have a point about STDs too, but that deserves it's own thread. It doesn't affect abortion in any way, so I'm not going to discuss that here.

SW-User

@BryanSunshine I'm pleasantly surprised you actually gave me a source. In many discussions about any topic, that seems too much to ask. Please give me some time to read through it and write a reply to actually address it, but thank you very much for actually challenging me with facts to back up your point.

SW-User

@BryanSunshine The circumstances of getting pregnant are essential, so I personally categorize the reasons for abortion as follows:
- Valid: not having a choice to use contraception, or planning a healthy pregnancy and it turning out differently.
- Possibly invalid: valid if contraceptives were used properly but failed to be effective regardless, invalid if the pregnancy was due to negligence.

Now let's categorize all given reasons into these two options:

[b]Valid[/b]
<0.5% Victim of rape
3%Fetal health problems
4%Physical health problems
Total: 7%

[b]Possibly invalid[/b]
4%Would interfere with education or career
7%Not mature enough to raise a child
8%Don't want to be a single mother
19%Done having children
23%Can't afford a baby
25%Not ready for a child
Total: 86%

I left out the "other" 6% because I can't judge those. It seem like you are correct that the majority of abortions by far is performed for invalid or questionably reasons...

But your source also states that "9 in 10 women at risk of unintended pregnancy are using a contraceptive method". If you agree with my categorization, that means only 1 in 10 of possibly invalid reasons actually are and 9 out of 10 are instead valid. Applying that factor means 84% of abortions have a valid reason and only 9% have invalid motives.

I agree that 9% of abortions being performed for invalid reasons is a LOT. However, 84% being performed for valid reasons is a strong point to support the option, especially as it considers a choice and not a forced measure depending on the category.

One final note: these statistics were supplied by a website with it's first main menu item being "the case against abortion". If the numbers are biased, it would definitely be towards the pro-life movement and yet they point to pro-choice. I don't think we even need to question the objectivity here, nor consider what numbers that are proven to be objective or biased towards the pro-choice movement instead will show.