Why did the Africans sell their own people into slaves?

@Speedyman Mostly the Brits and Dutch

You are wrong. Many other nation were involved. Do your history. @MarmeeMarch

@Speedyman No I am totally right -

Well you can bury their head in the sand live in your ignorance then@MarmeeMarch

@Speedyman ua - helloooooooo anybody in there ? ----- I said MOSTLY not all - and yes the Portuguese and I think Spain was in on it too - not positive about Spain though

Yes but I don't think there is anyone in at the other end . The major Atlantic slave trading nations, ordered by trade volume, were: the Portuguese, the British, the French, the Spanish, and the Dutch Empires. And you have forgotten the Arabs who organise the thing and the Africans who provided the slaves. . @MarmeeMarch

@Speedyman Yes -of course they sold their own people like the poster says - to be shipped to America too and that they knew exactly what will be in store for them.

That is true. They sold their own people knowing what will be installed for them. You only have to visit the fortresses where they were held To see the appalling conditions@MarmeeMarch

@Speedyman Sir I am not ignorant about slavery ,
But as to America I gave a starting point to get others to add in ,,but not attack one another ,,and I get my humor and spin on things can piss people off
But though you are correct and I applaud you knowledge on the subject
I also know the Indian side of the story ,,and I was blown away to learn the Irish were brought here before Africans ,,,except it was not considered slavery because they signed on to come here ,,but made servants that never was able to work off their debt ,,same thing we did to the Mexicans in the 60's

I have not studied world events to much except what I know from service and things we were involved in that most Americans are ignorant to

Sorry for calling you an ass hole ,,,but you did insult me first
I will remove my post ,,I agree you need to know where all of it comes from to understand anything I wrote ,,,

I am bad about saying things only a few will get ,,but as a rule
only a few care what I write anyway ,,and the part about free speech
I did defend this country so all men and women could speak freely
as I am sure you defended whatever country you come from if its not the USA .

I support true democracy and justice ,,,and have put my life on the line for my country many times
Unless I am abusing the privilege ,,,I should be allowed to have any opinion I want ,,,,I would support yours ,,even if I disagreed
You also have the right to your opinion
And not be disrespected or called names ,its just an opinion ,
Have a good one

You can have what opinion you want. Whether it matches up to history is another matter@rckt148

@Speedyman I was only speaking of US slavery ,and I was trying to get someone such as yourself to add to the things I threw out there
Part of it was from a joke ,,I was wrong to assume anyone would get it was something said recently by Steve Harvey who is very respected and Black

I find when you throw a little truth out there ,,and a twist
its easier to get someone such as yourself to Correct me ,then to teach me

You would rather belittle me and call me names ,,,then to just share your version of the truth ,,,which is only seen as by how you were taught
For instance ,,,if you were an old white man from the south ,,who disliked blacks
agreed with slavery ,and blacks should be treated as animals and property
You might have a totally different story to tell ,,,

I am sorry that even after I tried explaining why I said what I said
only one person actually took the time to talk to me
and we found we had more in common then not ...

I never claimed to be a scholar ,,,but I have won metals for American history
I studied the Indian's side ,some black writings that were suppose to be from the underground rail road ,,I looked up why the Irish were not considered slaves
and what we did to the Chinese
say I am in error and it does not line up with history if you want

I asked you "if I am wrong ,other then call me names ,why don't you teach me "

That was my agenda ,,,to see who was willing to ,,you just told about slavery around the world ,,,,,,,,I was just wanting to hear your version about slavery in the USA ,,as to why Africans sold their own people into slavery

I openly admit ,,I only have a 9th grade education
Where I come from ,I had to quit school to support myself ,,I have been on my own since I was 13 ,,,,,I was to busy trying to end being a slave myself
then to get a proper education,,But I made damn sure all my kids got one

@Speedyman Thank you sire - **bows down while removing hat with a big plume in it**

@Speedyman But you do know what I said is true - may not be complete but it is fact.

You made the error that it was only Europeans involved . I've seen enough damage done with that half-truth@MarmeeMarch

@Speedyman only Europeans involved in what ?
You saying no Irish ,no Chinese ? or African ?
Africans weren't sold to traders that sold them to plantation owners in American ?
And sir I do have a few friends who are laughing at the crap I seemed to have stirred ,,but I seriously doubt a 60 yr old shut in is going to do to much damage to history or inquiring minds
My family and I serve our fellow man regardless of color or nationality
As my father and his father before him and his father before him , we prefer to save lives
Take care of our own and others
I raised 10 kids and I only have 4 and we don't teach them to keep drugging up ancient wars ,especially the civil war ,that has been over 150 yrs and for some reason its still an excuse for racism on both sides
I removed my original comment ,,said I was sorry ,never called you anymore names after the A hole which I said I was sorry for too

If you want to set history straight ,by all means enlighten me
Never to old to learn ,,,
But I have nothing but time ,,,we can continue this until Christ comes ,,

I simply stated though they were the same as slaves ,,the Irish and Chinese were slaves in America before Blacks ,,
The free cruise was from a joke told by a black man I just repeated it
so PLEASE tell me what possible harm I have done ,,,especially for you to begin the conversation with me calling me names for having an opinion ?
Thats how it works now ,,if its not the same as your's I can cause "Damage "?
Glad this is not on religion and the Papacy ,,,I am sure there is where I can really do some damage ,,,Like the lady that said I was guilty of Child Abuse because my kids are Christians ? trust me sir I have been schooled by them all

and this all still only proves my point
My opinion is only allowed "IF" everyone else agrees
Though for the 3rd time I repeat ,,if what I said was wrong ,,Teach me
Show me why its wrong ,,,,I can prove the things I believe
This was all to see 1 if my opinion counts 2 if anyone disagreed were they willing to teach me ,,, yet all I am getting is crap and told if there is a problem I made it that way
I guess I got my answer ,,and thats why there is still racism in America
Its not really about learning from each other ,,,its about who is right
and there is always 2 sides to every story
With the Gospels ,,,there are 4 ,,and people still gag at a gnat ,,and swallow a camel

I'm sorry I can't really get your post but just to say all nations in their time have practiced slavery. The last nation to officially abolish slavery was Saudi Arabia in 1966. But of course there are many nations today who practice slavery even on an unofficial basis@rckt148

@Speedyman Sir I am sorry ,as I said I only have a 9th grade formal education
and I am sorry my grammar sucks ,but I try the best I can to make sure I at least spell correctly ,
I only stated "As I have read " The Irish were the first to be basically held against their will in the USA ,but because they agreed to work off their passage to come to America ,their servitude,
ser·vi·tudeDictionary result for servitude
/ˈsərvəˌt(y)o͞od/Submit
noun
the state of being a slave or completely subject to someone more powerful.
synonyms:slavery, enslavement, bondage, subjugation, subjection, domination;

Was not considered slavery ,they agreed to be in service to the traders until their debts were paid

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/17/us/irish-slaves-myth.html

Debunking the Myth that the Irish were not slaves ,,this is just a news article
but bias or not ,,if you look it up ,you decide ,,I have done further study on it and I believe they were indeed treated as slaves
When you take someone kids as collateral ,,I would say they were treated as property just as mush as the POW's and villagers you spoke of

History now paints the labors of the Chinese rail road crews and under paid labor and the first to have a labor strike ,

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/150-years-ago-chinese-railroad-workers-staged-era-s-largest-n774901

But further study shows not only did they never get paid ,but as the rail they were building neared completion ,they were murdered and buried in the rail bed in the very rocks they mined to build them

That was the basis of everything I originally said ,,,
Had you just asked why I said such a thing ,,rather then call be names
I would have gladly explained ,,

I not only apologized for calling an elder a name ,I also asked 3 times if I was in error for you to explain how and for you to teach me the truth and mentioned I also explained my remarks were not about world slavery ,only slaves in the USA .
(concerning America ,,not world wide slavery )

Now a man of your obvious education I am sure has a lot to offer as to teaching a little more then the history books teach ,,,,as you added about villagers being rounded up ,and POW's ,,,
Now my grammar may suck ,but I bet if your grandchild wrote this as a letter asking you to explain why my comment angered you to the point of calling me names ,
You would try a little harder to understand what he or she is saying
and give them an answer ,,I know I would

Have a good one ,,,,there is a misunderstanding not because the things I wrote are lies or myths ,or "Harmful" as you fear ,,,it just isn't as clean and cut and dry as history says it is ,,
That was in reference to your comment
" I've seen enough damage done with that half-truth "[b][/b]

My people were Saxon Vikings on my Dads side ,,Native Indians on Moms
They have different versions of their history too

Thank you for your time ,,,I won't bother you any further