Shaming... it's been a thing for a long, long time. Why?

@SteelHands I am not sure what you deem mental illness...

@Phire1 That's odd. A minute ago you seemed so clear on what you meant by shaming.

@SteelHands I am just unclear about what you think are mental illnesses...

@Phire1 You don't need that to sustain your theory that shaming is linked to mental illness.

Proceed.

@SteelHands How do you think shaming helps mental illness or anything?

@Phire1 You made the claim that shaming impacts mental illness.

You said that shaming exists and also said that it's a default state of affairs in societies.

I'm still waiting for you to illustrate how. It's not incumbent upon me to prove it does not then.

@SteelHands Ah, yes, I did imply that shaming impacts mental illness... it also impacts situations that have nothing to do with mental illness.

Yes, shaming does exist. Yes, many people within societies shame others.

@Phire1 it's not unheard of that people who are not mentally healthy are unaware of it.

@SteelHands I'm talking about those folks, but ok

@Phire1 that's not how your tirade above appears to convey by my reading of it.

By my reading you were addressing an issue you referred to as "shaming."

When someone succeeds in convincing a mentally ill person that they are not, then abuses mentally healthy people by calling them mentally ill you bet your bottom dollar there's going to be a rejection of that view and some shaming to go with it.

People compulsively do a lot of different things. Some are just harmless immaturity while others are self destructive or destructive to society.

Which one deserves to be shamed and which one deserves to be branded mental illness is chosen by all of society. Not a cabal of self appointed experts.

Whether we like it or not. And shame on us if we don't.

@SteelHands It seems to me you wanted to twist what I said. I sarcastically agreed with you but you didn't catch it.
I think you just wanted to avoid honestly answering my first question presented to you after you commented.

@Phire1 There should be rules to using sarcasm.

I don't have expert instruction about any of the finer points of communication so I'll take what you last said as a facetious compliment.. or something like that.

You really should first have asked me what I consider as any kind of illness.

I consider it as being not at ease, otherwise called ill at ease, in the language of my ancestors and forthright sages of youth.

Your accusation of me falsifying your claim by misrepresentation might be a misunderstanding. Either due to varied strong affiliations with mentally healthy material literature and personages.

Or contact otherwise. Whatever.

Hence through deduction we can easily deduce what we see, when seen.

I'm not in the business of charting an ever changing dictionary of unsane behaviors.

And I'm absolutely not of a philosophy of shaping anyone else's idea of what is shameable
strange or self demeaning.

Sorry.

@SteelHands "based on mental health aspects" was hardly a statement about 'mental illness.' When I asked you what you meant about "legitimizing many mental illnesses to be "normal" you did not answer that.

@Phire1 I don't think you're ignorant about the subject but I do believe you're being coy or at least playing up to those who haven't read.

So I'll refer you to the first issue through the more recent definitive satire series of books called the DSM. Otherwise known as the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental illnesses. Or whatever it is your home country uses.

When choosing to claim an expertise about something as important as the health of a human mind, it is supremely important that yours is absolutely illness free.

Else it's best to stick with practicing and promoting what the majority of humans on the planet knows is well and good. That's my deal.

The irony of the profession is that they don't like anything that points out the fact that when you spend your days surrounded by dis-ease they're bound to become infected by something. The manual' s recessive nature as it devolves definitively points to that.

So it's not really productive to shame people for shaming people. That would rise to a level of hypocrisy that exceeds most any other.

Lol

@SteelHands If I may say so, I find it interesting that you still keep skating around the question with long-winded replies. I get the vibe that you do not want to say what is really on your mind. That's fine, your choice.

It appears that you project your own stuff upon others. How interesting, not coy at all.

While I am aware that you misunderstood my initial post I don't think you are aware of your projection. It also seems to me that you hate the DSM V manual. Why is that?

"When choosing to claim an expertise about something as important as the health of a human mind, it is supremely important that yours is absolutely illness free. " - Well, that is incorrect. How do you feel about a person who has Tourette Syndrome counseling people?

I sense that you do not like people who work within the mental health field. Why is that? Did you have a bad experience?

@Phire1 I didn't realize I was dealing with a flerfer

@Phire1 A vague question about how somebody feels about something is not much use to me unless I'm trying to make them rethink some opinion that they have stated.

You shouldn't try that on me because I'm not looking for your counseling.

A vague question about someone counseling someone involving the one who is the counselor having tourette's syndrome is very distant from the original subject.
I don't know why you'd ask me this although I would only guess that it would be less than an optimal situation. Unless that it was counseling for how to be more confrontational. Lol

I answered. You don't really think that you have the authority over me to reject my replies as non answers just because you don't like hearing my opinion and want me to format my reply by your rules of speech, I hope.

That would be arrogant.

@SteelHands Oh, ok, you are at least part Narc. Got it.

You are still skating around the question.

@Phire1 Speak for yourself. Lol

@SteelHands Nah, I'm right now only speaking about you

@Phire1 You can't fix yourself by convincing yourself that you're better than me.