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revenant · F
It was happening under Obama from what i have heard
SW-User
@revenant The Obama administration did not have any kind of widespread practice of separating children from their parents. Trump's policy aims to prosecute every single illegal border crossing, including asylum seekers. The government separates children from their parents or legal guardians because the adults have been referred for prosecution for illegal entry into the United States.
The idea that this is simply a continuation of an Obama-era practice is "preposterous," said Denise Gilman, director of the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas Law School. "There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent."
Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added.
The Trump administration separated 1,995 children from 1,940 adults from April 19 to May 31, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security said Friday, a period in which the "zero tolerance" policy was in effect.
Jeh Johnson, who served as homeland security secretary under Obama, said he did not separate children and parents despite the enormous surges of unaccompanied minors and families that came across the border in 2014 fleeing Central American violence.
The idea that this is simply a continuation of an Obama-era practice is "preposterous," said Denise Gilman, director of the Immigration Clinic at the University of Texas Law School. "There were occasionally instances where you would find a separated family — maybe like one every six months to a year — and that was usually because there had been some actual individualized concern that there was a trafficking situation or that the parent wasn’t actually the parent."
Once custody concerns were resolved, "there was pretty immediately reunification," Gilman told NBC News. "There were not 2,000 kids in two months — it’s not the same universe," she added.
The Trump administration separated 1,995 children from 1,940 adults from April 19 to May 31, a spokesman for the Department of Homeland Security said Friday, a period in which the "zero tolerance" policy was in effect.
Jeh Johnson, who served as homeland security secretary under Obama, said he did not separate children and parents despite the enormous surges of unaccompanied minors and families that came across the border in 2014 fleeing Central American violence.
SW-User
@NoYou And if he had then you should, but he didn't. It's another lie.
revenant · F
@SW-User hmmmm Obama could do no wrong lol.
SW-User
@revenant No, but it's just not true that "Obama did it."
revenant · F
@SW-User yes it is true. Also they could not give a shit about the kids it is about attacking Trump
SW-User
@revenant So, when presented with what happened you simply don't accept it because you don't want to. I don't know what that must be like.
revenant · F
@SW-User no idea what you are talking about. Did Bush and Obama care about killed children ?????
Ynotisay · M
@revenant @NoYou No man. It was NOT happening under Obama. It's not wise to repeat things unless you know they're true.
And here you go revenant. In response to your dismissive, sort of childish, retort. Straight from the horse's mouth.
"Jeh Johnson, who served as homeland security secretary under Obama, said he [b]did not separate children and parents despite the enormous surges of unaccompanied minors and families that came across the border in 2014 fleeing Central American violence.
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"In three years on my watch, we probably deported or returned or repatriated about a million people to enforce border security. [b]One of the things I could not do is separate a child from his or her mother,[/b] or literally pull a mother from his or her arms," Johnson said on MSNBC last week. “I just couldn’t do it.”
Obama’s top domestic policy adviser, Cecilia Muñoz, said the Obama administration did consider a similar policy, but determined it heartless.
"The agencies were surfacing every possible idea,” Muñoz told The New York Times in an interview recently. "I do remember looking at each other like, ‘We’re not going to do this, are we?’ We spent five minutes thinking it through and concluded that it was a bad idea. [b]The morality of it was clear — that’s not who we are."[/b]
And here you go revenant. In response to your dismissive, sort of childish, retort. Straight from the horse's mouth.
"Jeh Johnson, who served as homeland security secretary under Obama, said he [b]did not separate children and parents despite the enormous surges of unaccompanied minors and families that came across the border in 2014 fleeing Central American violence.
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"In three years on my watch, we probably deported or returned or repatriated about a million people to enforce border security. [b]One of the things I could not do is separate a child from his or her mother,[/b] or literally pull a mother from his or her arms," Johnson said on MSNBC last week. “I just couldn’t do it.”
Obama’s top domestic policy adviser, Cecilia Muñoz, said the Obama administration did consider a similar policy, but determined it heartless.
"The agencies were surfacing every possible idea,” Muñoz told The New York Times in an interview recently. "I do remember looking at each other like, ‘We’re not going to do this, are we?’ We spent five minutes thinking it through and concluded that it was a bad idea. [b]The morality of it was clear — that’s not who we are."[/b]
Ynotisay · M
@revenant Uh...what? I'm not sure you're dealing with reality on this one. I'm sure there's a reason. Just can't imagine what it is. It's out of my realm of understanding. Sort of sorry I wasted my time though. Should have known with the "Obama can do no wrong" line that you're one of those people. Whatever.