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Should christians be allowed to indoctrinate other people's children? [Spirituality & Religion]

A christian complained that a Satanist posted here attempting to draft young kids in. Is that really any different from what christians often do?
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Graylight · 51-55, F
Why don't we all stop with the whole "indoctrination' thing? The only difference between indoctrination and teaching is the promotion of questions and examination of the subject material.

Christians teach Christianity. There's nothing wrong with that. Satanists preach Satanism. There's nothing wrong with that. Having grown up Catholic, I can tell you that examination and critical thought are encouraged more than not.

The only way a person can be indoctrinated is by not questioning for themselves what they're hearing; the only way a child can be indoctrinated is if he's not taught the same critical skill.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@Graylight Children are targeted before they are old enough to have the skill to question what they're told. In my experience, christian are very much discouraged from questioning "god". When I was a christian we were taught to blindly accept what the priests told us.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@suzie1960 Then what we have are two individual experiences from which to draw.

Doesn't seem fair to demonize all of Christianity or another religion based on just that.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@Graylight It was a lot more than that and I don't believe in the christian god any more. What I object to is the way christians target impressionable young children. It's bad enough when they try to force their beliefs onto adults.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@suzie1960 I get it, but I also understand the desire to save a human soul, and Catholic teaching, as you know, markets the concept of original sin so you have to attack it early and hard.

I say live and let live. You want to ask me if I know Christ? Or Beelzebub? Go for it. But if I decline to talk on the topic, let it be.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@Graylight That is precisely what's wrong with christianity, it tries to force itself on everyone. They'd soon object if any other religious group tried doing the same.
ladycae · 100+, F
@suzie1960 sounds to me that you just don't like christians and are therefore demonizing them. i have benna Christian most of my life and i honestly have never seen kids targeted with indoctrination. i have seen teens seek out answers and ask questions. but that is not indoctrination.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@ladycae You're right, I don't like christians, with good cause. I used to be one so I know how insidious christianity can be. In most cases it doesn't become apparent until one tries to leave. At that point, I found out just how nasty and spiteful some christians can be. People who were "all sweetness and light" while I was one of them changed completely.
How can young children rationally question what is taught to them by adults @Graylight?
ladycae · 100+, F
@suzie1960 then you were not with Christians. at least none like i know. perhaps it was your anger and animosity that caused the situation. one thing i have learned is never judge god by what man does. because people are fallable, god is not.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@ladycae Have you tried to break away from christianity? That when I saw their true colours. At first, when I was one of them, they were probably like those you know all "sweetness and light". That changed completely when I saw through the all the lies and deceit.

I don't judge "god" because I don't believe it exists. At best it's just a figment of christians' imaginations and, at worst, deliberately made up to control people.
ladycae · 100+, F
@suzie1960 yes i broke away in my late teens and saw none of what you are talking about at all. my god exists. i walk and talk with him every day. i have seen miracles and miraculous things. simply because you don't believe in him does not give you the right to insult me. and yes you do judge him. i am sorry you live in a society that seems to feel you need to believe but it is the church of England and itis England so in a way it kind of makes sense. king Henry created the church and decreed all should believe. perhaps you should move elsewhere or get involved in politics to try to change things.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@suzie1960 Well, here's the thing. Anthropological studies suggest that every known tribe among humans worships some kind of deity. Even those completely remote from other men. That's a difficult universal concept to explain away.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@ladycae What do you mean by "broke away"? You're still a christian so they had no reason to turn on you. My society does not feel the need to believe, only some sections of it tries to insist that we do but they're a very vocal minority.

If you want to believe in mythical beings you're welcome to. I think it's foolish to, just as some people think a belief in Santa Claus is foolish.

By saying I judge "god", you're projecting your beliefs onto me. I've already said I do not believe your god exists so I can't judge it.

Evidence that ancient tribes worship some deity doesn't prove the christian god is real. In fact it suggests it isn't because, if it were, all those tribes would have been worshiping the same thing.
ladycae · 100+, F
@suzie1960 i stopped going to church and got involved with the occult if you must know. as for judging even negative things can be judgments. you judge him to be a mythical being and you are welcome to believe what you want. i said nothing about ancient gods so i guess you're projecting on me now.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@ladycae I see. [quote]Anthropological studies suggest that every known tribe among humans worships some kind of deity.[/quote]
only refers to modern tribes does it?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@suzie1960 Not even close. Even Neanderthals buried their loved ones with accoutrements like flowers. The thinking is that it was both out of respect for the person and a belief that the body or essence would carry on.
suzie1960 · 61-69, F
@Graylight Sorry, I addressed my reply to ladycae instead of you.

I'm aware that ancient tribes had various religious practices and superstitions. That suggests present day religious people are stuck in the past.