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I see Trumps solution to the gun problem is to arm teachers - what makes him think more guns is the answer?

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redredred · M
We protect our money with guns, our national monument with guns, our national parks, and even, for some reason, our politicians with guns. We protect all the things we value most with guns. Why not our children? Is there some moral high ground in saying we won't protect them with the most effective means at our disposal? Explain, please.

Yeah, I too wish it were like 1955 and Andy Taylor was the local sheriff but it isn't. Only fools don't get that.
@redredred here across the pond we protect our children by not having laws which allow pretty much anyone to have enough guns and ammo to kill as many people as they want to. That's why children here are so much safer than children in America. The cost of your right to bear arms is the sacrifice of over ten thousand American lives each year.
MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F
@redredred Kids in the UK aren't protected with guns. Not a single school shooting in 22 years...
MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F
@TopOfTheWorld But, but, the second amendment!!! ☹☹☹
@MaryJo1996 exactly. Unfortunately some Americans, including the moron in the White House, think it's worth the sacrifice of all those innocent lives.
redredred · M
So, according to you, the only thing keeping you from killing a bunch of children is you lack access to the means to do it. Sorry but your lovable George III taught us to be armed in the face of a government but then, I'm a citizen, not a subject. @TopOfTheWorld
MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F
@redredred George III 😂😂

You're talking about someone who died over 200 years ago!! The world has changed you ignorant fool. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@redredred of course it's not the only thing and of course it's an undisputable fact that your per head gun death in America, where guns are hugely easier to buy, is massively higher than ours. Only a fool can't see the link between the two.
OKWTF2 · 51-55, M
It doesn't seem like a gun problem but it is a culture problem. As such, the best defense for a bad guy with a gun right now is a good one, better trained, with a gun. Not sure about teachers, though I've had a few through the years that would be able to defend effectively I must admit.

Politically it is just so dam odd that only a few weeks or so prior President Trump was being compared to Hitler, and now it seems everyone is protesting the right to give President Trump our guns. That whole gun control thing in Germany back in the late 30s didn't work out so well for everybody. But politics is just weird.
redredred · M
Since you like name calling, let me point out that human nature hasn't changed, you vile scumcunt. Government are still grasping for power and the world is still dangerous, very dangerous. A fact that will be abundantly clear as that wave of endearing immigrants illegally depositing themselves on your shore will show. Face the dangers unarmed, you know what your miserable life is worth@MaryJo1996
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@MaryJo1996 Your schools report more incidents of violence than the US, was that a gun's doing? Just because they aren't dying doesn't mean you solved it.
MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F
@redredred "Vile scumcunt" is a bit harsher than "ignorant fool", but meh. You'll probably just get a gun and shoot some kids because someone called you a name. 😢😢

And yeah, you're just talking a load of old pony now. Guns dont save lives these days. Human nature may not have changed, but the western world has. Not America though, you still let people have guns...but it's ok, you have thoughts and prayers when people get shot. That makes it alright.
@redredred look at the facts, the danger to your schoolkids and citizens is all the guns you're legally holding and killing each other with. Terrorism related deaths in your country are a tiny fraction by comparison. The right to bear arms is the biggest enemy within.
MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand 17 people died in one school based incident last week. Tell me the last time that happened on UK shores?
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
@MaryJo1996 Again like I said, your schools report more incidents, you took their weapons but you didn't fix your people at all
@MaryJo1996 as he's comfortable with calling you a "vile scumcunt" I think we can now all see the kind of person he is.
redredred · M
Subjects value safety over freedom. In the US more people are killed with hands and feet than with so-called "assault rifles". That's an FBI crime stat. Doctors kill more people through error than are killed with guns. You eagerly lap up the hysteria and then kiss your betters ass for keeping you safe by not letting you choose to be armed.

Freedom can't be explained to someone who loves his chains.
@TopOfTheWorld
@Jackaloftheazuresand our schools "report more incidents" is very vague. Care to share your source and clarify what you mean?
MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F
@Jackaloftheazuresand Less people die....i know which "problem" people over here would rather have.
MaryJo1996 · 26-30, F
@redredred You think it's a positive you can be armed?? You have a massive culture problem. A big one, that was responsible for the deaths of 17 school children last week.
@redredred I'd much prefer the freedom we have here to the kind you have over there, any day of the week.
redredred · M
Read (or have someone read it to you) Harvard Prof John Lott and his studies of gun use. He shows that civilian guns are used nearly two million times each year to deter crime, most case merely the brandishing of a gun is all that's needed to stop a crime. Of course you can simply dial 999 and a disinterested government employee will make a note. @TopOfTheWorld @MaryJo1996
Jackaloftheazuresand · 26-30, M
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redredred · M
That's not a culture problem, that's a mental health issue for this young man. The vast majority of these shooters are on SSRI drugs, 72 % of them grew up in fatherless homes. Dig a little deeper here, The obvious explanation you've grasped isn't the actual answer @MaryJo1996
@redredred no doubt he's on the under the counter payroll of the NRA and what an absurd idea that someone could count these apparent two million crimes that never happened anyway.
redredred · M
He's a Harvard professor writing in a peer reviewed journal. Have someone explain to you what that means@TopOfTheWorld