Is revenge justice?

@lakergoy and abhor it cause there is always two stories to any story .... way before unintended loss, if the story is true then the person can wait in custody before law.

The law is ok. But for truly henious proven acts when is it always just in our society of protecting the rights of people who have clearly given up thier rights with the proven evil they have committed?

@lakergoy Translate? If we are talking in the US ... I heard recently of someone possibly getting 3.5 years for graffiti. Canada that would be a fine. I don't wish to enter a society that doesn't feel a person can change, so I for one will never complain about Canada's sentences. You seem to disagree, fine - but how much further are you willing to go, and if in vigilantism you become the criminal? That's no further just, is it? As anyone that kills a killer, I will also call a killer without doubt; think about that.

Ok. Example. The colorado theatre shooting.... This guy did it everyone knows he did it... He wants to claim insanity? He took the time to meticulously plan the attack and gave his innocent targets no quarter but we're supposed to accommodate his rights? In my sense of justice he gave up his life and his rights in that theatre, a fitting judgement would be to make him a slave, a true slave working only for the state of for benefit of the families left behind. Although im sure many of them would want none of them would nothing to do with him,as sure as i am that there are some that believe he can be redeemed, maybe before the judgement but as i said i think he gave up his right to humanity with those lives he obviously ended.

There are many instances of such things. And what goes through the mind of someone planning such an action???? They arent worried about justice being served onto them thats almost certain

@lakergoy as you ascertain to know them. If we are talking murder, I think any state/province (while it's not a provincial issue in Canada) it'll be 25+ yrs for the kind of deviance you speak of. That's not a light punishment. And yeah you're right they aren't *thinking* of the consequence, so if justice is about actually changing a life, why focus only on this? Spoken from someone who lost a cousin to murder.

@lakergoy To me you speak in hyperbole ...

@lakergoy Caught you in a trap? Didn't actually mean to, but it does really [b]mean[/b] something into the conversation. And this is one of those rare times where understanding where the higher road means something to me.

I'M sorry for your loss truly. A coulpe of my family have been ended before thier time. Thats not my point justice is about punishment for evil done. You wish to rehabilitate those who have quite clearly chosen to not be a productive member of society and take others away forever in the process... I respect your right to your opinon but i cannot agree . If they did the evil of thier free will they deserve punishment unto the level of the evil they committed. I'm very old testament in this regard.... I will admit for petty crimes harsh penalties probably wont make for a better world. But for the harsh crimes against humanity done with malice and forethought, death is too good, they should be made to pay and suffer as they have made thier victims suffer

@lakergoy the purpose was never they got to take a person away so they could be rehabilitated ... relearn people can make very very bad [b]mistakes[/b] and understand any one day you are a step away from living in your own cardboard and piss. What separates good from evil is much less than you think, and grow. It eventually becomes a useless fucking binary.

@lakergoy And I know some won't agree with that statement. But in this as I have enough in my life, cherished enough, with other losses than when I was 9, just cant agree with retribution/vindictive attitudes way beyond I think something belongs in front of a court of law. There is many that would kill who would kill those they loved to be self-tormented for years without knowing while they did.

@lakergoy So my ultimate decision, if you don't like the law lobby and accept if and when it changes even it doesn't. Until then don't tell me how to respond. Capache?

I never did. I believe in the first amendment

@lakergoy Great, my freedom of assembly was of and in myself. Some things are better expressed by themselves instead of hiding under some blanket of an unintended purpose of law. But yeah, you have your write to speak your mind, even if I live in Canada, which doesn't entirely abide by that idea. Hateful speak in Canada is not a Charter Right, which I'm saying your words were not hateful; but it's a scapegoat to use first amendment here.

Just saying i havent told you how to respond.... How much have you had to drink?

Really you did.... you posited an idea I entirely disagree with based off rigid thinking where I had experience. When you get caught in possible defamatory/hurtful responses, it's about how much I had to drink. Move on.

I am. Hope you feel better

@lakergoy I think you're actually carelessly mindless here, sorry. You really told someone who had someone in their family murdered, I should feel a certain way about justice. When in reality I only pointed out a differing point of view. Then you went to how using the right of the first amendment, I pointed out a counter point of view in law not even implicating. So, we can continue this up if you want....

I said it was my opinion is all. You took that as preaching, which i get. I do believe in harsher penalties if the evidence is obvious and overwhelming. The first amendment i was trying to relate to is freedom of speech. Or in today's overly PC society should be called the right to believe as you choose which i believe in. You can see it how you wish especially considering your loss. I'm sorry it seemed like i was trying to say you are wrong

@lakergoy Thanks, but I really don't need condolence over my loss as it was 20 years ago and I was 9. The hurt did stink, and likely made me question humanity. I won't detail anymore, I will if asked, but I really don't feel the humanity of this discussion can be reflected by someone focusing on politics. I get it's political. So if I'm of a like mind of what many liberals might find in attitude/idea about punitive justice, and you detail them as PC - I am supposed to feel what? Maybe take away the idea of PC here?