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I Find Politics Interesting

[b][center][big]Hillary Clinton voters, I understand you’re scared[/big][/center][/b]
I understand you’re angry. I understand you’re disappointed. I understand you feel like you don’t know your country anymore. But I need you to understand something. It’s how I felt when you helped elect Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.

Believe it or not, I thought he was pretty dangerous, too. I thought he held some pretty radical points of view, too. Most of all, I dreaded what he had in mind for our country’s direction. And you know what? He succeeded in fomenting, presiding over, and implementing so much of what I feared. My sister-in-law called two days before the election devastated her family of five’s private health insurance policy jumped $500 a month. I’ve watched cops protested and assassinated while American cities roil and burn. I’ve watched people tie up traffic and “occupy” streets and places of business. I’ve seen a chicken sandwich restaurant attacked because its founder supports traditional marriage and a beer company attacked because its owner supports a Republican candidate.

Some of my favorite comedians have complained their comedy is no longer welcome on college campuses because what was once a punch line is now “dangerous speech.” My favorite entertainers suggest because I don’t support their candidate, I’m somehow a racist, sexist, or a homophobe.

I’ve been told tougher screening of certain groups tied to terrorism and more secure borders is somehow anti -American while watching our citizens gunned down by radical jihadists is dismissed as “random acts” of “workplace violence.”

It took hacked emails to discover the nation’s media works directly with one of the nation’s major political parties to manipulate coverage of their opponents and curry favor for their chosen nominee. College students now account for over a trillion dollars in student loan debt, while job prospects for them remain slim and low paying. I’ve watched an IRS targeting certain political groups., an EPA that’s made our energy more expensive, a DOE which created a one-size-fits-all curriculum for my kids who all learn differently, a Veterans Affairs scandal that’s treated some of our heroes worse than animals, and a Secretary of State who created an illegal secret means of communication to enrich herself and provide favors with her office.

Perhaps worst of all, I’ve watched an FBI, DOJ, and Supreme Court become completely compromised by the politics of the day and not the Constitution and the rule of law. Without equal application of the law, we have no nation. And you know who presided over all of these things? The man who made me feel for the last 8 years just the way you Hillary voters feel today. But here’s my promise:

My vote for Trump was to undo all of the things I just listed. I couldn’t care less about Trump the man. I’m not invested in him. I’m not wearing him on my shirt like you did Obama. I want Washington DC, corruption, bullying, chaos, and stagnation in this country to stop. I want to be left alone. I want you to be left alone, too. I want my government to provide for the common defense and help put more disposable income in my pocket – that’s it. Leave me, my neighbors, my church, my community, and my state to run our own lives. That’s what I expect from Donald Trump. I don’t want and won’t support him “doing” anything to you or me.

Barack Obama, Washington D.C., and the elites of political parties, entertainers, and media companies have been dictating the terms of, and mocking American’s lives long enough. I’ll stand shoulder to shoulder with you in fighting Donald Trump should he engage in the same behavior. But for now, understand this election symbolizes a nation full of people like me who feel like we’ve been getting the back of our president and government’s hand for eight long years.

Donald Trump is the response. He wasn’t elected to punish you, or judge you, or jail you, or mock you, or ridicule you if you disagree with him. That’s what the last 8 years have been. I voted for him with the hope he moves Heaven and Earth to leave you and me alone to lead our lives as we see fit. If he strays from that, I’ll stand shoulder to shoulder with you to stop him.

I didn’t vote Trump because he’d inspire me or raise my kids or take care of me or influence my life in any way. Donald Trump didn’t win because his voters thought he’d govern as a Republican. If he’s successful and does it right, you shouldn’t know he’s there.

CHRIS STIGALL - RADIO TALK SHOW HOST – MORNINGS IN PHILLY
Northwest · M
Pretty flimsy "facts", but I am not going to convince you with facts.

Mock, judge, punish, ridicule, and threaten to jail, is exactly what Trump has done throughout his entire campaign. This is a fact.

A lot of people, are wiling to give him the benefit of the doubt, and support him, whenever possible, for the good of the country. It is, however, distressing, when the President Elect, first thought when he wakes up, is to launch an attack on a Broadway Musical, because he felt insulted, by freedom of speech, that even the recipient of, did not feel insulted by.

Oh, and he's the "why are people so incensed by every single comment, let's not be over sensitive, and what's with all this political correctness" president. Are you going to stand by your convictions, and condemn his outburst of "political correctness"?

If he wants people to follow him, he needs to show leadership, and care for the whole country, and not only those who agree with him.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
@Pfuzylogic:

Reagan's and his success is reviled by liberals...hence the revisionist history.

Reagan won the election in a land slide....bringing a cross section of ALL Americans together. The only people that hated Reagan were the liberals.

Democrats, republicans, Independents, blacks, whites, woman and men came together in support of Ronald Reagan.

[b]All that he accomplished could never have taken place if the American people didn't agree and love Ronald Reagan[/b]

Ronald Reagan made three promises to the American people and he kept all three.

[b]1) Reduce Taxes. In 1986 revenue to the treasury exploded due to business expansion hiring more people and entrepreneurs starting new business's hiring people that paid taxes[/b].

The president does not have authority to spend money...Congress hold the purse.

2) Defense Spending. Under democrat Jimmy Carter the defense budget had been reduced to unprecedented levels and at the time created a void in our country's security.

3) Destroy Communism. Although the Berlin Wall came down during the Bush years, it was Ronald Reagan's build up of the military that [b]Gorbachev readily admitted to, ended the cold war.[/b]
Pfuzylogic · M
@lov2smile: Glad that even though you act as a Military Hawk, someone that would readily send others to war without serving yourself which is the standard for Conservatives. He did very little for Veterans.
He built a 600 ship Navy that was way over staffed.
He proposed the SDI which would cost over 1 Trillion dollars in the mid 80s. And again double our deficit.
If there is a source that doused our deficit that "WR Grace" called an embarrassment and an undeserved inheritance for our grandchildren.
It was Reagan that accomplished this incredible deficit without solution.
Since his time he left the infrastructure of our nation unadressed. Bridges that have fallen that have taken innocent lives because of neglect. Highways and municipal sewage structures; all left in ruins.
We also had one of the incredible laziest First Ladies whose only accomplishment was her "fight" against drugs with "just say no". Many found this inane cause something to be laughed at. She also continually consulted her own crystal ball. Yes she this nervous anxious woman consulted a crystal ball frequently.
She was pulled out of the McCarthy communist witch hunt by one of its supporters
Ronnie.
Reagan had his own witch hunts but we can save that for dessert here.
Northwest · M
@lov2smile:

[quote]Reagan's and his success is reviled by liberals...hence the revisionist history.[/quote]

Yes, I agree, with the revisionist history part of your statement.

[quote]Reagan won the election in a land slide....bringing a cross section of ALL Americans together. The only people that hated Reagan were the liberals.[/quote]

Reagan, was my first election. It always looks impressive when you look at the Electoral College picture. In reality though, Reagan took 50.75% of the popular vote. This means that the country was nearly evenly split.

Here's what you claimed:

[quote]In 1986 revenue to the treasury exploded due to business expansion hiring more people and entrepreneurs starting new business's hiring people that paid taxes.[/quote]

In reality, here's what ACTUALLY happened:

Carter Years:

Year Tax Revenue % Increase or decrease
1977 355.56 19.29%
1978 399.56 12.37%
1979 463.3 15.95%
1980 517.11 11.61%

Reagan Years, including the, allegedly explosive 1986:

Year Tax Revenue % Increase or decrease
1981 599.27 15.89%
1982 617.77 3.09%
1983 600.56 -2.79%
1984 666.44 10.97%
1985 734.04 10.14%
1986 769.16 4.78%

Source: http://www.usgovernmentrevenue.com/

[quote]Defense Spending. Under democrat Jimmy Carter the defense budget had been reduced to unprecedented levels and at the time created a void in our country's security.[/quote]

Defense spending, started dropping, following the Vietnam war, from 10%, to about 5.5%, by the time Carter left office. To the naive, this looks like a "de-militarization", but to anyone who uses their brains for what's intended for, namely thinking, when you take the costs of actually running a war out of the equation, there's no change.

To those who need more of an explanation: when you're fighting a war, the ordinance (bullets, shells, missiles, all sorts of munitions), fuel, tires, replacement materials, food, travel, compensation for the tens of thousands of dead soldiers (and allies), etc., is very costly.

So, why did it rise to 6.8% in 1986? Because we let the military/industrial complex go wild, namely to force the Soviet Union, into a military race, they cannot afford. So, we were spending money, we did not have, to force the Soviets to spend money they did not have.

Eventually, what brought the Soviet Union to an end, was a change of leadership, prompted by a change in attitude and opening up of the people of the Soviet Union.

Of course, the legend now, is that Reagan brought an end to communism. This is simply not the case. While the Soviet Union, was collapsing from within, the Chinese Communism, was exponentially expanding. Net/net: Communism did not diminish, it actually expanded.

As to trickle down economics? There is absolutely NO proof of that. The military industrial complex, that received the tax cuts, did not share it down with the workers.

The real economic booster, took place in the 1990s, and it has NOTHING to do trickle down. It was all about technology, and it was all done by startups who were NEVER part of the imaginary trickle down economics.
Republicans are such hypocrites. You try to convince everyone that liberals want larger government. WRONG!!

It's the conservative Republicans who want the larger government. You continually put the government in our doctors’ offices, you want the government in our bedrooms, you want the government to impose religion on us, despite a constitutional prohibition. YOU are the greatest threat to our freedoms and individual rights that this country has seen since the Jim Crow days in the South.
G302634 · 26-30, F
As an independent I would like to remind you that it was democrats that put in the Jim Crow laws. This is just another example how divided the states are. Divided States of America. Also interesting how Neither candidate got half the votes.
@Gina18: Democrats of today are not the same Democrats that passed those laws. When the Democratic Party began supporting civil rights legislation in the 50's and 60's, southern Democrats switched to the Republican party (like Strom Thurmond), and the Republican party then became the party of southern intolerance. It's just like how the Republican party of today (who favors state's rights) is not the Republican party of Lincoln (who fought a war to to preserve the federal government's authority).
Canicu69 · 70-79, M
@rootintootinhighfalutin what the hell are you smoking
I too an an independent but am actually a progressive and a supporter of Bernie Sanders. Just to make my prism clear. Thank you for a clear statement. I see the situation differently. I disagree with the interpretation given to some events and I will disagree with some of your "facts" that come from right wing sources and by repetition are presumed to be facts. No point in an argument or discussion. We just see the world very differently and you are entitled to your ideas.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
Humanist321,

Thank you, well said. I will respect your right to disagree to the death.
Your input is very much appreciated.
Pfuzylogic · M
Nice long extensive quote.

Obama bailed us out of the financial ruin W left us in. W has been smart enough to to stay quiet.

All the Republicans did was stonewall Obama the past 8 years, nothing more.
Canicu69 · 70-79, M
@Gina18: The federal government caused the crash, it was inevitable they gave loans to people who didn't qualify.....DUH
Pfuzylogic · M
@Canicu69: The cabinet of Bush allowed derivatives that misrepresented the values of Bonds related to housing. There were a few that deserved incarceration.

Keep your inane insults to yourself.
Canicu69 · 70-79, M
@Pfuzylogic: I am not sure what you are talking about....did i insult you
Mguinm · 51-55, F
Excellent post.
laotzu92 · 70-79, M
This was remarkably well-written and made me wish I had the determination and skill to write it myself. I share the writer's hope.
Canicu69 · 70-79, M
very well said @lov2smile nothing to be afraid of, just the opposite. I was deathly afraid of Hillary Clinton
G302634 · 26-30, F
Agree. Give US the opportunity to succeed. What we do with it is up to us.
aldnazmeister · 56-60, M
I like this post.
carpediem · 61-69, M
Excellent post.

 
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