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[b][center][big]Hillary Clinton voters, I understand you’re scared[/big][/center][/b]
I understand you’re angry. I understand you’re disappointed. I understand you feel like you don’t know your country anymore. But I need you to understand something. It’s how I felt when you helped elect Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.

Believe it or not, I thought he was pretty dangerous, too. I thought he held some pretty radical points of view, too. Most of all, I dreaded what he had in mind for our country’s direction. And you know what? He succeeded in fomenting, presiding over, and implementing so much of what I feared. My sister-in-law called two days before the election devastated her family of five’s private health insurance policy jumped $500 a month. I’ve watched cops protested and assassinated while American cities roil and burn. I’ve watched people tie up traffic and “occupy” streets and places of business. I’ve seen a chicken sandwich restaurant attacked because its founder supports traditional marriage and a beer company attacked because its owner supports a Republican candidate.

Some of my favorite comedians have complained their comedy is no longer welcome on college campuses because what was once a punch line is now “dangerous speech.” My favorite entertainers suggest because I don’t support their candidate, I’m somehow a racist, sexist, or a homophobe.

I’ve been told tougher screening of certain groups tied to terrorism and more secure borders is somehow anti -American while watching our citizens gunned down by radical jihadists is dismissed as “random acts” of “workplace violence.”

It took hacked emails to discover the nation’s media works directly with one of the nation’s major political parties to manipulate coverage of their opponents and curry favor for their chosen nominee. College students now account for over a trillion dollars in student loan debt, while job prospects for them remain slim and low paying. I’ve watched an IRS targeting certain political groups., an EPA that’s made our energy more expensive, a DOE which created a one-size-fits-all curriculum for my kids who all learn differently, a Veterans Affairs scandal that’s treated some of our heroes worse than animals, and a Secretary of State who created an illegal secret means of communication to enrich herself and provide favors with her office.

Perhaps worst of all, I’ve watched an FBI, DOJ, and Supreme Court become completely compromised by the politics of the day and not the Constitution and the rule of law. Without equal application of the law, we have no nation. And you know who presided over all of these things? The man who made me feel for the last 8 years just the way you Hillary voters feel today. But here’s my promise:

My vote for Trump was to undo all of the things I just listed. I couldn’t care less about Trump the man. I’m not invested in him. I’m not wearing him on my shirt like you did Obama. I want Washington DC, corruption, bullying, chaos, and stagnation in this country to stop. I want to be left alone. I want you to be left alone, too. I want my government to provide for the common defense and help put more disposable income in my pocket – that’s it. Leave me, my neighbors, my church, my community, and my state to run our own lives. That’s what I expect from Donald Trump. I don’t want and won’t support him “doing” anything to you or me.

Barack Obama, Washington D.C., and the elites of political parties, entertainers, and media companies have been dictating the terms of, and mocking American’s lives long enough. I’ll stand shoulder to shoulder with you in fighting Donald Trump should he engage in the same behavior. But for now, understand this election symbolizes a nation full of people like me who feel like we’ve been getting the back of our president and government’s hand for eight long years.

Donald Trump is the response. He wasn’t elected to punish you, or judge you, or jail you, or mock you, or ridicule you if you disagree with him. That’s what the last 8 years have been. I voted for him with the hope he moves Heaven and Earth to leave you and me alone to lead our lives as we see fit. If he strays from that, I’ll stand shoulder to shoulder with you to stop him.

I didn’t vote Trump because he’d inspire me or raise my kids or take care of me or influence my life in any way. Donald Trump didn’t win because his voters thought he’d govern as a Republican. If he’s successful and does it right, you shouldn’t know he’s there.

CHRIS STIGALL - RADIO TALK SHOW HOST – MORNINGS IN PHILLY
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Northwest · M
Pretty flimsy "facts", but I am not going to convince you with facts.

Mock, judge, punish, ridicule, and threaten to jail, is exactly what Trump has done throughout his entire campaign. This is a fact.

A lot of people, are wiling to give him the benefit of the doubt, and support him, whenever possible, for the good of the country. It is, however, distressing, when the President Elect, first thought when he wakes up, is to launch an attack on a Broadway Musical, because he felt insulted, by freedom of speech, that even the recipient of, did not feel insulted by.

Oh, and he's the "why are people so incensed by every single comment, let's not be over sensitive, and what's with all this political correctness" president. Are you going to stand by your convictions, and condemn his outburst of "political correctness"?

If he wants people to follow him, he needs to show leadership, and care for the whole country, and not only those who agree with him.
G302634 · 26-30, F
Problem is, very few Presidents in history have truly tried to bring together opposing sides going all the way back to John Adams when there were 2 distinct parties. It even started earlier than that during Washingtons 2nd term as people slandered him and policies. Truth is, we need a strong central government that is not overly intrusive on states rights. I know I don't have the age and experience as many of you do, but history is my thing, especially governmental history. Anyway. My opinion.
Northwest · M
@Gina18: OK, but I am commenting on the accuracy of this article, which comes to about zilch.

Having multiple parties, is a healthy thing, and does not automatically translate into favoritism for either party.

Single parties, are the trademark of dictatorships. We're not there, yet.
G302634 · 26-30, F
@Northwest: I understand what you are saying and agree with him needing to reach out to people who not only agree with him but also disagree with him. Human nature says we hang with the people who agree with us. I was commenting mainly on that political leaders very seldom try to truly reach out to those who disagree with them. Even President Obama stated there are consequences to elections and he did not really try to reach compromises with republicans and used executive orders to push through what he wanted. I'm really not holding my breath on Trump being any different than Obama. Only that is ideology will be different.
Pfuzylogic · M
@Northwest: Thanks for your response
Pfuzylogic · M
@Gina18: Obama was stonewalled. There are no negotiations with Republicans that are entrenched in positions. There were over 500 filibusters to stop everything cold in their tracks. There has never been that many filibusters ever before.
G302634 · 26-30, F
@Pfuzylogic: Democrats are no different than republicans when it comes to stonewalling. Both do it to each other. I'm an independent so I can view both sides with open eyes. Harry Reid messed up when he opened the door to the nuclear option. Now them Democrats might have the same thing thrown at them.
Northwest · M
@Gina18: President Obama, wanted to take all sides into consideration, when he took office in 2009. He wanted to be inclusive, and took his time with the single payer system, even he tough he had a clear mandate (won both the electoral and popular votes), and a majority in both the House and Senate.

When the Republicans got back their blocking power, only a couple of years later, it was stonewall city. They were on the record, insisting that nothing got legislated. Even a simple Supreme Court hearing, was not scheduled.

When was the last time a Democrat-controlled Congress, stalled a Supreme Court nomination process? Worse case, was Bork, and it wasn't blocked, it was allowed to proceed.

The Republicans were on the record, for saying that their job #1, is to block anything the President wanted to do, instead, at a minimum, have an open and honest discussion about it. Gridlock city, is what DC has been for the past 6 years.
G302634 · 26-30, F
@Northwest: believe what you want. Same politics have been going on for decades and maybe more than a century. Half of Americans believe one thing and half believe another. We are the Divided States of America. It's only a matter of time before we implode with possibly another civil war. Not over saving the union or slavery but over idiology. Whoever is in power try's to shove it down the others throat. Like President Obama was quoted. Elections have consequences. Looks like this one will too. Sadly.
Pfuzylogic · M
@Gina18: I agree on that Gina. It seems that the ugly racist Tea Party has raised its Behemoth head and the basket was not big enough to contain it. Now we get little snippets of young "Alt Right" fascist groups rallying with "Heil Trump" and snapping out neo Nazi salutes. I do like how Trump is quiet like a kitten and understands the true hazard he is in.
I do remember Paul Ryan putting his nose where it belonged and saying that Trump had a "mandate". What a joke based on popular vote.
G302634 · 26-30, F
@Pfuzylogic: and a person who is republican will trash everything you said and bring up all the bad things they feel the democrats did. People are easily lead. If I don't believe in what one group wants, I'm a racist or nazi or religious nut or other things. If I don't believe what the other group wants then I'm a socialist or unpatriotic or other things. The middle is gone. You are for the left. Others will be for the right. Terrorist don't have to do anything. They can sit back and watch us destroy ourselves. 62 million plus people voted for Clinton. Over 60 million voted for trump. A lot of people say he's not my President. All that does is fuel more fire and hate. Welcome to the Divided States of America. For as long as it last.
Pfuzylogic · M
@Gina18: President elect shuffled the cards and played his hard game.
I hope he survives it.
G302634 · 26-30, F
I hope our country does. Just like I would be hoping our country survived a Clinton Presidency.
Pfuzylogic · M
@Gina18: She had a long diplomacy card. He wants the approval of Putin.
G302634 · 26-30, F
@Pfuzylogic: There were a lot of bad things that happened under her watch. I didn't like either. They are both liars who said whatever needed to be said to try and get elected. She has just as arrogant attitude as trump. If we back me friends with Russia and it helps. Great. If not. Bad. I have no idea what's gonna happen. The trillions of debt will keep piling up because we want everyone to have everything. Even if we can't afford it. Both party's are at fault. I could go on and on but it's not worth it. I am going to get my degree in humanities. I want to be a victims advocate for children. Maybe in my own little way I can contribute there. If it's still there.
Pfuzylogic · M
@Gina18: This election reminds me of Reagan. An actor that won the favor of the populous and practiced the politics of McCarthyism. We survived him. If the summers don't get too wild. We will survive Trump.
G302634 · 26-30, F
We've survived every other president. But our country is more divided than it has ever been.
Northwest · M
@Gina18: [quote] believe what you want. Same politics have been going on for decades and maybe more than a century. Half of Americans believe one thing and half believe another. We are the Divided States of America. It's only a matter of time before we implode with possibly another civil war. Not over saving the union or slavery but over idiology. Whoever is in power try's to shove it down the others throat. Like President Obama was quoted. Elections have consequences. Looks like this one will too. Sadly.[/quote]

It's not about what I believe. It's the facts. Following are direct quotes, from 2010, when it looked like the Republicans will be taking the House:

[quote]Here’s John Boehner, the likely speaker if Republicans take the House, offering his plans for Obama’s agenda: “We're going to do everything — and I mean everything we can do — to kill it, stop it, slow it down, whatever we can.”

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell summed up his plan to National Journal: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”[/quote]

Both President Obama and Sec. Clinton, are on the record, stating that we should do everything we possibly can, to help the President Elect succeed, in his economic program.

Out of curiosity, what do you call ideology?

Is religious discrimination, an ideology, or a civil rights issue?

Is the shift from an emphasis on renewable resources, to 100% fossil fuels, an ideology, or a future generations issue?

Is the insistence that climate change, is a hoax perpetrated by China, an ideology, or stealing the future generations rights?

... and that's just the tip of the iceberg.

It's not about elections partisan politics, it's about core issues, just as important as slavery was in 1860.
G302634 · 26-30, F
@Northwest: of course Obama & Clinton can say that. Apples and oranges. They are not IN congress as the other two were. Democratic congress will do everything they can to try and make trump fail just as the republican congress did everything they could to make Obama fail. I'm NOT taking sides. BOTH want what's BEST for THEM. Republicans want what they consider is best for Republicans while Democrats want what's best for Democrats. Human nature. Thus the split in America. Divided we stand.
Pfuzylogic · M
@Gina18: The expressed racism by Law Enforcement Agencies and Trump is a good starting wedge for your stated divide.
If government is not "of, by and for" the people as the Constitution guarantees then there will be real problems with citizens accepting the authority of those in government.
G302634 · 26-30, F
Ok. You guys win. I'm done. We will just have to agree to disagree. Again. I'm saying Both parties share in blame. Obviously to you the Republicans are Totally to blame and to Republicans the Democrats are totally to blame. Delegation of blame and nobody stepping up and taking any responsibility. Have a nice day.
Pfuzylogic · M
@Gina18: Don't go away difficult. When you summarize it is best to be graceful.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
@Gina18:

Although the liberals despised Ronald Reagan, he was truly a president that knew how to bring all sides together.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/27/ronald-reagan-the-great-coalition-builder/
Pfuzylogic · M
@lov2smile @Gina18: Reagan started his Presidency 36 years ago and actually the first President that caused the divide that currently exists. He ran his candidacy on balancing the budget but because of his huge Decense spending he doubled the National Deficit. He was the first President that took the term Liberals and acted as if it was a cuss word as you just saw by this Right Wing extremist. Make no mistake, he threw out many people into the streets and caused more homelessness and cruelty than all of the other Presidents combined. Our country suffered greatly them and now because of his ruinous decisions. Ask someone who has a clue.
lov2smile · 36-40, F
@Pfuzylogic:

Reagan's and his success is reviled by liberals...hence the revisionist history.

Reagan won the election in a land slide....bringing a cross section of ALL Americans together. The only people that hated Reagan were the liberals.

Democrats, republicans, Independents, blacks, whites, woman and men came together in support of Ronald Reagan.

[b]All that he accomplished could never have taken place if the American people didn't agree and love Ronald Reagan[/b]

Ronald Reagan made three promises to the American people and he kept all three.

[b]1) Reduce Taxes. In 1986 revenue to the treasury exploded due to business expansion hiring more people and entrepreneurs starting new business's hiring people that paid taxes[/b].

The president does not have authority to spend money...Congress hold the purse.

2) Defense Spending. Under democrat Jimmy Carter the defense budget had been reduced to unprecedented levels and at the time created a void in our country's security.

3) Destroy Communism. Although the Berlin Wall came down during the Bush years, it was Ronald Reagan's build up of the military that [b]Gorbachev readily admitted to, ended the cold war.[/b]
Pfuzylogic · M
@lov2smile: Glad that even though you act as a Military Hawk, someone that would readily send others to war without serving yourself which is the standard for Conservatives. He did very little for Veterans.
He built a 600 ship Navy that was way over staffed.
He proposed the SDI which would cost over 1 Trillion dollars in the mid 80s. And again double our deficit.
If there is a source that doused our deficit that "WR Grace" called an embarrassment and an undeserved inheritance for our grandchildren.
It was Reagan that accomplished this incredible deficit without solution.
Since his time he left the infrastructure of our nation unadressed. Bridges that have fallen that have taken innocent lives because of neglect. Highways and municipal sewage structures; all left in ruins.
We also had one of the incredible laziest First Ladies whose only accomplishment was her "fight" against drugs with "just say no". Many found this inane cause something to be laughed at. She also continually consulted her own crystal ball. Yes she this nervous anxious woman consulted a crystal ball frequently.
She was pulled out of the McCarthy communist witch hunt by one of its supporters
Ronnie.
Reagan had his own witch hunts but we can save that for dessert here.