I Hate Political Correctness

@LesDeplorable: I never at any point claimed the numbers were identical (and you cannot support your claim of 27000) and that does not count casualties. Also for political reasons right now anyone who even happened to be descended from a Muslim who did anything bad is lumped in that sum even if they have never seen a Mosque. Also you make the bizarre claim that somehow the number of violent passages in a book correlates to acts of violence in the real world. That is bizarre to say the least.

@Northwest: Just a couple of points.

First you might not know that it was recently declassified that the CIA actually forced the Soviet's hand by agitating things in Afghanistan and flooding the place with Chinese made weapons (because they look the same as soviet ones) much like they later did in Yugoslavia. There is alot of interesting bits about that conflict too that never made it into the "official" narrative.


Also we are told ISIS is exclusively a religious fanatical group and yet if you look at their actual fighting leadership they are almost all ex Iraqi Army staff or ex Republican Guard. Plus many defectors have mentioned they were only fighting for payback not some religious war.



Also a comment about the nazis we actually recruited their smartest people and put them in charge of "counter insurgency" and "counter intelligence" in the west after the war because even a mass murderer like Stepan Bandera was okay with the west as long as you hated communists. The US and other nations also funded openly fascist groups in the former USSR and Eastern bloc in an effort to destabilize them groups like the OUN-UPA in Ukraine (which later came in handy during the Maidan fiasco) and the Forest Brothers in the Balkans. These were groups that openly fought alongside the nazis and most of them where "true believers". Even scarier is fascist militias in places like Ukraine have actually started working with al qaeda linked groups in Chechnya, and Ingushetia and Dagestan in Russia.

@Northwest: no he said it give us a but of an insight into what the federal executive branch does. We all knew that all that actually happened on the show was false

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow:


[quote]First you might not know that it was recently declassified that the CIA actually forced the Soviet's hand by agitating things in Afghanistan and flooding the place with Chinese made weapons (because they look the same as soviet ones) much like they later did in Yugoslavia. There is alot of interesting bits about that conflict too that never made it into the "official" narrative.[/quote]

This was more of a Soviet inter-clash. When the PDPA came to power, in early 1978, it only controlled Kabul, and it was only a matter of time, before the Marxist regime would collapse. Brezhnev, fearing a wider conflict with the US, provided token support.

The Politburo, and rogue side elements, realized that Kabul is going to fall to the Mujahedeen, so the decision to invade, was made, without Brezhnev's approval or knowledge. Effectively, on Dec 27, 1979, the entire country was in Soviet hands.

Zbigniew Brzezinski creamed his pants. He told Carter, that we should sit back, and watch, as the Soviets just got themselves their own Vietnam, and indeed, this is what happened. Carter, was never into Empire building.


[quote]Also we are told ISIS is exclusively a religious fanatical group and yet if you look at their actual fighting leadership they are almost all ex Iraqi Army staff or ex Republican Guard. Plus many defectors have mentioned they were only fighting for payback not some religious war.
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Today, they are a religious fanatic group. That's not how they started out though. Their nucleus, is the disenfranchised Sunni Middle Management, that was the Baath Party leadership. It's a little complicated. The reason why Mosul fell so easily into ISIS hands, is not because the residents supported them, but because they (Sunnis), would have accepted anything, that freed them from the Shiite militias, that were randomly killing Sunnis, and were empowered by the Iraqi Shiite controlled government.

When ISIS consolidated its power, the people of Mosul (and other places), went "oops"! But by that time, ISIS was in control, and they started implementing their extremist agenda. These complicated interactions, are also behind the delay in liberating Mosul. The Sunnis, supported by Turkey and the GCC, were afraid that when the Iraqi, mostly Shiite army, enters Mosul, it's going to be score settling time. It took months of negotiations, before everyone was comfortable enough to launch the operation to liberate Mosul. The same scenario, repeated itself, in a number of other places.

[quote]Also a comment about the nazis we actually recruited their smartest people and put them in charge of "counter insurgency" and "counter intelligence" in the west after the war because even a mass murderer like Stepan Bandera was okay with the west as long as you hated communists. The US and other nations also funded openly fascist groups in the former USSR and Eastern bloc in an effort to destabilize them groups like the OUN-UPA in Ukraine (which later came in handy during the Maidan fiasco) and the Forest Brothers in the Balkans. These were groups that openly fought alongside the nazis and most of them where "true believers". Even scarier is fascist militias in places like Ukraine have actually started working with al qaeda linked groups in Chechnya, and Ingushetia and Dagestan in Russia.[/quote]

Yes, we brought a whole bunch of Nazis, to start and run our rocket programs. Von Brain, is the most notorious. He was in charge of the Apollo Program. Thousands of former Nazi officers, also fought in Korea.

One of them, a fighter pilot for the Nazis (one of their youngest), fought in Korea, spoke perfect English, got his PhD in English Literature, on the GI bill, and I took a course from him at Berkeley. I would not have known his background, if he had not been going through some existential crisis, where he was wondering if he should blow his brains up, and I was one of his "better" students. Not in a million years, you would have guessed he was German.

@Mountainlady16: [quote]pretty much like most amrican mass shooters
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OK, now we're getting somewhere...

@Northwest: that's why we need more regulations on weapon purchases of any kind. not only should anyone that owns a gun should require a license but also be able to prove just like with a license to drive a car the capability to use it. theyre should be extensive background checks before being issued such as well.

@Mountainlady16: That is very true 🙂. We do need better background checks on guns. I would suggest having an open mind and heart to these people. They are not the guilty party. I promise you that. When individuals offer you peace, you accept it. That is the right thing to do.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow: it was in a shopping strip mall and there very well been civilians walking by those windows. there was a cricket store on one side and a temp service on the other of that recruiting office. and the 2nd location a training center was next to the college m grandpa teaches at

@Mountainlady16: That sucks and I am genuinely sad that it happened but it is part of the job. But it is a bit rich to play the morality card when every Tuesday your President wrote up a list of people to execute without trial by hellfire missile that by pretty much any metric kill several times more civilians then their targets but this will never end until the death of 200 Iraqi or Afghan children get anywhere near as much outrage as one single American.

@LesDeplorable: I am saying that when you take certain jobs there are risks you take. Ironically they are often conveniently left out by recruiters.

Guess you could say the same when they blame shootings on all gun owners. Or when Obama stood up on live tv and blames the actions of that man that shot up that black church on all southerners who fly confederate flags. Which btw both black and whites do.

But this is a gathering that they have invited members of our community to talk about it. Probably because supposedly7 families have now been refused to be allowed to settle here due to being refugees

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That and what gets reported as terrorism often has more to do with your ancestry and skin tone then your religion.