Why don't you accept the theory of evolution? [Spirituality & Religion]

lol yes agreed

@Sicarium:

[quote]. Don't hide behind logical fallacies[/quote]

Sorry, dude. I know how keen you are on calling fallacies out when you see them. Practice what you preach. You made the argument that since you didn't know of an advantage for losing fur that it was contradictory to evolution.
You formed a conclusion based on your lack of knowledge.
If that's not an argument from ignorance i don't know what is

[quote]That is speculation. Speculation does not trump observed data. However, it should be obvious that parasites would be an issue regardless of whether we have fur or not[/quote]

...what am i even reading here? Yes it's speculation. And yes parasites are still an issue even without fur. But less of one. That's called a se-lect-tive ad-van-tage. lol

[quote]You just introduced another contradiction. [/quote]

Only in your mind.
For starters i'd like to see the observed data you're so keen on that shows we "immediately began wearing animal furs". Seems like speculation lol. But i'm just fucking with you there.
Secondly, many cultures still do not wear clothes, or very little clothing in hot climates. Finally, clothing, unlike fur, can be altered, removed or put back on depending on the current need.
I'm getting a bit tired of pointing out the blindingly obvious answers to your "contradictions".
You're really just being contrarian now because your pride won't allow you to admit when you're wrong.


[quote]Evolution isn't about evolving the same traits[/quote]

...yes. I know. Which is why i found it confusing that you thought the fact that wolves haven't evolved the same vocal complexity as humans was in some way contradictory to evolution theory.
Kinda feel like you just made my point for me.


Aaaaand the rest appears to be a long-winded admonition of my motivation and personal integrity.
I guess that concludes the part of the discussion where you actually debate the topic.

Let's review:

You stated that " the more we understand evolution, the less humans fit with it, at least based on our current understanding."

I asked for examples.
You provided a number of "contradictions" that could be explained with even a layman's understanding of adaptation given a few minutes actually considering an answer instead of deciding there was none.

You made a blatant argument from ignorance and i showed it for what it was: poorly thought out and intellectually dishonest.


Anyway, since you appear to have retreated to your ivory tower of self-deluded moral and intellectual superiority, should i assume this discussion has come to an end?

@UnparalleledMonster: [quote]Sorry, dude. I know how keen you are on calling fallacies out when you see them. Practice what you preach. You made the argument that since you didn't know of an advantage for losing fur that it was contradictory to evolution.
You formed a conclusion based on your lack of knowledge.
If that's not an argument from ignorance i don't know what is[/quote]

False. I made the argument that if [b]you[/b] couldn't list the advantages then [b]you[/b] couldn't simply proclaim there was no contradiction. Try reading, it works wonders.

[quote]...what am i even reading here? Yes it's speculation. And yes parasites are still an issue even without fur. But less of one. That's called a se-lect-tive ad-van-tage. lol[/quote]

More speculation and another assumption, those do not equal facts. Try again.

[quote]For starters i'd like to see the observed data you're so keen on that shows we "immediately began wearing animal furs". Seems like speculation lol. But i'm just fucking with you there.[/quote]

Not my problem if you can't grasp the concept of relative time.

[quote]...yes. I know. Which is why i found it confusing that you thought the fact that wolves haven't evolved the same vocal complexity as humans was in some way contradictory to evolution theory.[/quote]

Then why did you say it was? Seriously, what is it you are trying to argue here?

[quote]Aaaaand the rest appears to be a long-winded admonition of my motivation and personal integrity.
I guess that concludes the part of the discussion where you actually debate the topic.[/quote]

Meaningless whining.

[quote]Let's review:

You stated that " the more we understand evolution, the less humans fit with it, at least based on our current understanding."

I asked for examples.
You provided a number of "contradictions" that could be explained with even a layman's understanding of adaptation given a few minutes actually considering an answer instead of deciding there was none.

You made a blatant argument from ignorance and i showed it for what it was: poorly thought out and intellectually dishonest.[/quote]

False. I made a true statement. You couldn't comprehend the statement so you asked for examples. I gave you a handful. You couldn't tolerate the idea of someone knowing more than you, so you argued without ever reaching a valid point. Then you started using logical fallacies and lying about comments to hide your own ignorance. Then, in one last, desperate attempt at salvaging yourself, you projected your idiocy on to me.

[quote]Anyway, since you appear to have retreated to your ivory tower of self-deluded moral and intellectual superiority, should i assume this discussion has come to an end?
[/quote]

"What you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."

On a serious note, stop trying to convince yourself that you're right on topics you have virtually no understanding of and you just might learn something. Also, try deciding ahead of time what you're going to argue, you might actually get to a point that way.

@Sicarium:

Not going to pretend i read that wall of text. I saw you trying to pretend you hadn't made an argument from ignorance (ridiculous considering how often you stated that it WAS a contradiction or that "evolution can't explain that" LOL) and then i skipped to the end where you're accusing me of the very same crime of which you are guilty in this thread.


Every "contradiction" you presented i refuted.
Your contention that humans do not fit evolution theory has no legs. Which of course you know. A fact apparent by your complete abandonment of debating the issue in favor of attacking my character.

You're proud and you're intellectually dishonest and hypocritical and just AMAZINGLY blind to it all.
It's really quite hilarious.😂

It's been fun, but i hope you'll learn from this. If you can't debate the facts (As you couldn't here) don't feel the need to attack the person.
It's ok to admit you're wrong or that you can't dispute the points (and you couldn't) but that you still disagree.

You'll get there.
But please don't bother to respond to this post if all you're going to do is try to save face.

Catch you next time, champ😉👍