Bit of a specialized question here for creationists. Mokele-mbembe: the living sauropod dinosaur hiding in the Congo. [Spirituality & Religion]
[b]Question: Many young earth creationists believe that if they could prove this animal to be real then this would disprove evolution. How?[/b] Are there any young earthers here who could explain to me how finding a living (non-avian) dinosaur would disprove evolution or even present a problem?
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I don't see how it would disprove evolution. But some creationists, @GodSpeed63 included hold that it would....somehow. So far they're rather light on details.
@Pikachu [quote]Oh interesting. So where does love god and love your neighbour tell you to take Genesis as a literal history? Or would that be a religious position?[/quote]
What does loving God and your neighbor have to do with religion?
Gosh, I might be able to find one or two things....
Very small marine organisms, such as plankton, are ideal for showing gradual evolutionary change. There are many billions of them, many with hard parts, and they conveniently fall directly to the seafloor after death, piling up in a continuous sequence of layers. Sampling the layers in order is easy: you can thrust a long tube into the seafloor, pull up a columnar core sample, and read it from bottom to top (our research institutes here in New Zealand do this routinely).
Come to New Zealand and you can see a two-hundred-meter-long core taken from the ocean floor near New Zealand, presenting an unbroken history of the evolution of the marine foraminiferan [i]Globorotalia conoidea[/i] over an eight-million-year period.
Or you might prefer the eighteen-meter-long core extracted near Antarctica, representing two million years of sediments, showing us, again in an unbroken history, the evolution of the radiolarian [i]Pseudocubus vema[/i]
Or perhaps you’d like to see my personal favourite… a core sample that shows an ancestral plankton species [i]Eucyrtidium calvertense[/i] dividing into two descendants from a common ancestor over 3.5 million years. The new species is [i]Eucyrtidium matuyamai[/i]
@newjaninev2 [quote]Very small marine organisms, such as plankton, are ideal for showing gradual evolutionary change. There are many billions of them, many with hard parts, and they conveniently fall directly to the seafloor after death, piling up in a continuous sequence of layers. Sampling the layers in order is easy: you can thrust a long tube into the seafloor, pull up a columnar core sample, and read it from bottom to top (our research institutes here in New Zealand do this routinely).[/quote]
[quote]That still doesn't prove evolution happened. [/quote]
See, this is what i mean when i say you will reject something as evidence of evolution but cannot justify that rejection nor provide a superior explanation from creation.
It's behaviour like this that is the reason i try to get you to promise that you will actually make the effort to offer a rebuttal or counter explanation and not just hand wave away any evidence i might present. It's a lopsided expenditure of effort and it's not worth my time unless you commit to a good faith engagement of the evidence.
You simply lack the knowledge of the subject matter required to debate evolution and you know it And that is why you deflect and dissemble and avoid committing to actually having to debate the evidence.
Stop asking for evidence when you have no honest intention of discussing it.
You are not competent to debate evolution and lack the honesty to admit it. Let it go at that.🤷♀️
@Pikachu [quote]See, this is what i mean when i say you will reject something as evidence of evolution but cannot justify that rejection nor provide a superior explanation from creation.[/quote]
My rejection is toward her interpretation of that evidence and not the evidence itself. She is wrong and so are you.
@GodSpeed63 I would ask for [i]your[/i] coherent, complete, and consistent explanation of the evidence, but I already know that you would merely shriek ‘goddidit!!’, without acknowledging that such an answer [i]explains nothing[/i] (not even itself)
@newjaninev2 [quote]Very small marine organisms, such as plankton, are ideal for showing gradual evolutionary change. There are many billions of them, many with hard parts, and they conveniently fall directly to the seafloor after death, piling up in a continuous sequence of layers. Sampling the layers in order is easy: you can thrust a long tube into the seafloor, pull up a columnar core sample, and read it from bottom to top (our research institutes here in New Zealand do this routinely).[/quote]
Even if that were true, Yahweh created it and He set in motion. But, them dying, was not apart of that sequence until after the fall of mankind.
