GENESIS IN THE BEGINNING - GNINNIGEB EHT NI SISENEG
It doesn't matter if you believe in the Big Bang Theory and that we're flying through infinite space or if you believe that we live in an enclosed environment that was intentionally created and nothing was the result of evolution in the very beginning..
The fact is that everything in reality must be the result of a series of events that came before it.
How could an endless outer space with planets and suns and moons exist unless something first created it ..or at the very least, created whatever made it possible for outer space to be brought into existence?
How could air exist without something first creating air? How could light exist without something making light possible? How could heat or the absence of heat exist without first creating something that makes temperature possible?
If the earth really is an enclosed environment, that means a Creator created all of it.. but what created the Creator? And what created the Creator's creator?
How could it ever be possible for the very 1st thing to ever happen in existence be the result of a manifestation that nobody or nothing is responsible for?
If reality did manifest itself, a series of events must have first occured that made said reality capable of eventually creating itself.
What was the very first thing to ever happen and how was it possible for it to exist if nothing existed before it?
The very first thing to ever happen is more than just an anomaly because it defies what existence even means
There has to be an answer to what the first thing to ever occur was because how could there not be an answer? That just doesn't make any type of sense for there to not be an answer to what started everything.
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Even Einstein, who was a Jew and became an atheist / believe in a creator / designer just not a Creator like the one we refer to as God, a Spinoza's God structured the universe and all that's in it. And Einstein was a genius!
Funny how science and creation as written in the Bible coincide with each other and the Book of Genesis was written over 4,000 years ago by the Hebrews. The Hebrews knew what it took thousands of years for the rest of mankind to learn. How did they know?
As Hawkins said before the Big bang singularity occurred nothing was in existence...... When the Big bang singularity occurred a burst of cosmic microwave radiation light was released and it was so bright it lit up the entire universe, not the light that the naked eye could see..... God said let there be light / what man calls the Big bang singularity..... Bible tells us nothing existed before God created everything..... It's okay to accept in science but then scientist are even trying to refute what Hawkins determined / but when it comes to scripture it's an absolute impossibility for unbelievers.
And from Genesis 1:1 all the way to Genesis 1:26 science and the Bible coincides.
And some scientist has determined that the Big bang singularity was the result of a single atom / particle. Some scientists say that a universe existed before the singularity, so scientist are still at odds.
It's up to each and every individual to believe as they choose, that it was all an accident or what we see who We are products of design.
@Charity I love how you start out with factual statements, and then ignore the actual definition of Spinoza's god while delving into your falsehoods about Genesis. It's so very telling.
Spinoza, Benedict De | Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy https://share.google/p2ISZ89gK3XJIokRB
And what I said in Genesis relating to origin of the universe is correct.... I didn't give the rest and science and the Bible coincide with each other.
I don't tell falsehoods and your words are so very telling about you.
Then you know that Spinoza proposed a God who set things in motion, and then essentially did nothing while everything played out. Which contradicts the Bible directly. And if you didn't know that, well, what can I say?
And what I said in Genesis relating to origin of the universe is correct...
Sweetie, no. It isn't. First of all, Imagine plants suddenly springing into existence before sunlight ever strikes the Earth. If you think that's remotely possible, you need to take a remedial science course immediately.
Apparently you didn't read what I said in my first statement about the God that Einstein believed in that the God he referred who created design but not like the one we referred to as God. And I continue to say like Spinoza's God.
The light of the God was sufficient for the plants until he put the sun in place to give continual life to those plants as well as to separate the days, years, seasons. As it will be again, the light of the Lord will be sufficient in the New Heaven and new earth there will be No Sun and No Moon.
But to each their own well belief or disbelief.
Just like man has no idea how these unknowns listed below defies that which man thinks he knows.
Apparently you didn't read what I said in my first statement about the God that Einstein believed in that the God he referred who created design but not like the one we referred to as God. And I continue to say like Spinoza's God.
No, what threw me was when you went on to say that Genesis coincides with our scientific understanding. Which it absolutely doesn't. I provided an excellent example of where it flatly contradicts science. And what did you say in response to that?
The light of the God was sufficient for the plants until he put the sun in place to give continual life to those plants as well as to separate the days, years, seasons.
You have now strayed quite far from the realm of science.
@ItsMeMorgue I haven't strayed sometimes people just don't study
Coincide this is how : and in sync / order of occurrence with each other
1) God said let there be light and form the heavens and the Earth/ science: Big bang theory and all things came into existence.
2) God separated the waters from the waters and gathered them together in one place. Then God calls dry land to appear / science: the Earth was once a waterworld - the water on the earth is older than the sun which makes the Earth older than the Sun unlike what science theorize that the sun is older.
The water in your water bottle may be older than the sun | University of Michigan News https://share.google/35LLbBvzERjDqEWix
Scientists determine early Earth was a ‘water world’ by studying exposed ocean crust | NSF - U.S. National Science Foundation https://share.google/SDOYdyytqvbw7cuwc
3) God told the Earth to bring forth plants / science: has now found that plants are at least 500 to 700 million years older than first thought. That place is plants just a bit older than the sponge. Placing plants before animals
Plant life on Earth is much older than we thought | Natural History Museum https://share.google/uQAMPXX2ucwkQZCOt
4) God created the sun and the moon for seasons, and days, and years, months science: the sun is older but the Earth was once a water world, and the Earth's water is older than the Sun and no land visible that makes the Earth older than the Sun the Earth came before the sun and moon.
5) God told the waters to bring forth living creatures abundantly, including fowl / science: flesh life forms begin in the water in that old primordial soup mix. (Many dinosaurs had feathers, science have different opinions on when feather is evolved, within 250 million or earlier years) but as We know science is continually changing much of it theories
Why deep oceans gave life to the first big, complex organisms | Stanford Doerr School of Sustainability https://share.google/1VYNEXbkBnfnOJ8L9
Ancient Earth may have birthed islands of life | Yale News https://share.google/op7NfoldF8YdMWlZe
Feathersaurus: plant-eating dinos had plumage too | New Scientist https://share.google/TsBbbUjkXA4K0tA17
6) God told the Earth to bring forth beast and cattle / science: through evolution all type of beast and cattle evolved before man
7) God formed man and placed him in the garden in the East of Eden which he had prepared (God didn't tell the Earth to bring forth man as he did all other life forms) / science: man was the last to evolve
The realm of science and the realm of God are two entirely different things. Not asking you to accept, or even think on just putting the info out there for others
I haven't strayed sometimes people just don't study
Ah, yes. Study. Like the study of botany, which would lead you to the conclusion that plants need sunlight.
1) God said let there be light and form the heavens and the Earth/ science: Big bang theory and all things came into existence.
Not how it works. Before the Big Bang, we might not know what it was, but there was definitely something. The universe had condensed into an incredibly hot singularity, which it could not maintain. Therefore, it expanded.
2) God separated the waters from the waters and gathered them together in one place. Then God calls dry land to appear / science: the Earth was once a waterworld - the water on the earth is older than the sun which makes the Earth older than the Sun unlike what science theorize that the sun is older.
Dihydrous monoxide being older than the sun doesn't mean that the sun is younger than the earth. As a matter of fact, that makes no sense whatsoever. Without the sun and the other planets to protect it from random space objects, the earth wouldn't be in one piece today.
3) God told the Earth to bring forth plants / science: has now found that plants are at least 500 to 700 million years older than first thought. That place is plants just a bit older than the sponge. Placing plants before animals
Nobody ever said otherwise. What I said was that it's ridiculous to say that plants came before the existence of sunlight.
4) God created the sun and the moon for seasons, and days, and years, months science: the sun is older but the Earth was once a water world, and the Earth's water is older than the Sun and no land visible that makes the Earth older than the Sun the Earth came before the sun and moon.
Still no.
5) God told the waters to bring forth living creatures abundantly, including fowl / science: flesh life forms begin in the water in that old primordial soup mix. (Many dinosaurs had feathers, science have different opinions on when feather is evolved, within 250 million or earlier years) but as We know science is continually changing much of it theories
Putting the cart before the horse here, aren't you? You can't prove that God told anybody anything. You know what it sounds like to me? It sounds like a story the ancient people told themselves to explain where stuff came from. And as for scientific theories changing, unlike religious doctrine, theories change when new information arises. Scientists don't reject new information and dogmatically cling to outdated theories like spontaneous generation.
6) God told the Earth to bring forth beast and cattle / science: through evolution all type of beast and cattle evolved before man
Well, sure, if you drastically oversimplify the theory and intentionally twist the words to fit, they'll fit.
7) God formed man and placed him in the garden in the East of Eden which he had prepared (God didn't tell the Earth to bring forth man as he did all other life forms) / science: man was the last to evolve
Don't get me started on the ridiculousness of the garden story. We'll be here all night, and you'll be in tears.
Yes study - naturally for those who think like you the thing to say is it doesn't make sense when it absolutely does. And then have the nerve to try to tell me not how it works, common Sense should tell you I've already studied what science tells us happened in the Big bang singularity ***there was a burst of cosmic microwave radiation light that lit up the entire universe, light extremely bright, but invisible to the human eye, which is still slightly visible today with the right equipment / God said let there be light. Then as Hawkins another genius scientist said before the Big bang singularity nothing was in existence and the Bible tells us God created everything from nothing ( that's something else that coincides with science that's written in the Bible)
Events of science give and events in Genesis 1 coincide / are in order with each other and there's nothing you can say or do to change it. So talk on. Besides what I write is response to you but for others.
And I'm not going to go through all the other things you said / pointless. As I've said you can't change what is and Genesis 1 coincides with science.
And you can say whatever you want to say about that ridiculous garden.
I'll start you off_ God place man in the garden in the East of Eden which he had prepared / science: EAST AFRICA is the cradle of life of the homo erectus, ancestor of the neanderthal and for the Homo sapien, as well as all other hominoids. Unless you don't believe the scientific evidence of migration from Africa.
You may be in an evolved fish but I'm not.
How fish evolved to walk – and in one case, turned into humans - Connecting Research https://share.google/0sSbGtx8iFrMJhIF2
FishSens Magazine | Connecting Humans and Fish in the Evolutionary Chain - FishSens Magazine https://share.google/wMG6zwq9MP0VIoyIq
Oh you might have something to say about the talking serpent. Well the serpent represents the entity that we call the devil but besides that how many animals exist on Earth that actually has human vocabulary, I know a few, you should know at least one the parrot. Discover 7 Amazing Animals That Can Talk Like Humans - A-Z Animals https://share.google/nwco9c9D9ttc9AaSZ
Yes study - naturally for those who think like you the thing to say is it doesn't make sense when it absolutely does.
You do realize that just because you say really hard that something makes sense, that doesn't make it make sense, right?
And then have the nerve to try to tell me not how it works, common Sense should tell you I've already studied what science tells us happened in the Big bang singularity ***there was a burst of cosmic microwave radiation light that lit up the entire universe, light extremely bright, but invisible to the human eye, which is still slightly visible today with the right equipment...
Which is not the same thing as old beardy man in the sky yelling the magic words. But whatever.
Then as Hawkins...
HAWKING!
another genius scientist said before the Big bang singularity nothing was in existence...
Did he? Show me the paper where he says that.
Events of science give and events in Genesis 1 coincide / are in order with each other and there's nothing you can say or do to change it.
Nope. Still not possible for plants to grow without sunlight. Still no evidence of Mr. Beardy Man yelling cosmic commands across the universe, just because your storybook says so.
And I'm not going to go through all the other things you said / pointless.
Because you can't.
And you can say whatever you want to say about that ridiculous garden.
Okay. But I don't think I'm going to start where you thought I was going to start. Let's begin with the fact that God, who knows everything that is, was, and will be, decided to put the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil right smack in the middle of the garden, yo. And then he told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit. Never mind that they didn't know good from evil in order to understand that obeying him would be good and disobeying him would be evil. Did God not know how that would turn out? Or was it a setup, knowing that they would eat it, get kicked out of paradise, and be punished for falling for his little mind game? Hmm?
I'll start you off... blah blah blah... Unless you don't believe the scientific evidence of migration from Africa.
Oh, you're playing that card? Really? Well, in that case, since we know for a fact that King Louis XIII reigned from 1610 to 1643, and the Three Musketeers takes place from 1625 to 1628, and the author acknowledges the existence of King Louis XIII, then that book must be completely accurate, right? You're a hypocrite if you say otherwise.
You may be in an evolved fish but I'm not.
I'm prepared to believe you didn't evolve.
Oh you might have something to say about the talking serpent.
Oh, honey, that's the least unbelievable part of the whole thing.
I'm quite sure a person as yourself no that it is very difficult if not impossible to find papers that any scientist has wrote on the internet. You see it you reject it
