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I Believe In Angels and Demons

Some angels were thrown out of heaven because they rebelled against God. They are roaming the earth and want to lead people away from God. They want to be worshipped so they create false "Christs" or false religions.. They don't care about people. They will be destroyed one day when Jesus comes back to judge the living and the dead. Make sure you are not deceived. Only God cares about you. God is stronger than any angels or demons. Satan and his demons can not do anything unless God allows it for a higher purpose, for His Glory. "We don't war against flesh and blood but against principalities in heavenly places."
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MarkA56-60, M
Just answer me this, please....
Who, or what, put God in charge of anything? And what gives Jesus the right to judge me or anyone else??
It all sounds far too dictatorial to me. Usurping 'power' and keeping the peasants down by threats and bullying. If God were in charge of some tinpot little country which contained lots of oil, the USA would be in there like a shot to 'sort him out' like it does with other dictators....
I simply do not understand a belief system that relies on such tactics for its followers, then 'judges' them like some cheap talent show to decide if they ascend into heaven or spent eternity burning in hell.....
I do not 'believe', therefore I am immune from all this and feel all the better for it. 馃槉
CarazaaF
@MarkA Who put God in charge? That's an easy one, God did. He is in charge because he made the world. Jesus said "You can do nothing without me" You can not breathe without him allowing it. He is a loving God, and a just God who will punish all sin with death. It's the law of the universe. But that's why Jesus came to save you from your sins and from death. He loves you. People are rebellious. If you are a boss you know this. If you are a parent you know this to be true. God has no obligation to you. But if you beg for mercy and forgiveness you will be saved and you will have your prayers answered, and you will go to heaven. "No ears have heard nor eyes have ever seen what God has prepared for those who love Him."
MarkA56-60, M
So....basically, if you are 'good' you go to heaven. If you're 'bad' you go to hell as all children are taught.
What's the pass mark for acceptance into heaven? Is it 60% good v bad throughout your life? Is it 80%? How about 93.4%? How do you know??? You might have led a pretty good life, but that one occasion when you covetted your neighbours new iPhone might have swung the balance against you......you should be worried, my friend. Striving to be good, but a few impure thoughts could condemn you to a life in hell....
Just think, you could get to the pearly gates and be just ONE mark off the cutoff point. How would you feel? Pretty gutted, I imagine. I would. While one of your friends slips in, no bother at all.
A 'just God will punish all sin with death'?? Really. What, all sin, however small? Or just the ten biggies? Still seems a bit extreme to be killed by God for covetting a bloody ox, surely??
Too many anomalies in the Bible for me, Im afraid. Sorry. I just cannot take it seriously
CarazaaF
"All have sinned and come short " God says. "And God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life." You can be a murderer and God will forgive you for everything if you trust that Jesus died for you and rose again and is in heaven preparing a mansion for you there, like he said. Jesus took all your sins on his shoulders because there has to be a punishment for sin "death" His blood was shed so your blood wont be shed. I care about you and hope you will give it some serious thinking. You never know when you will die. We can die today and I would love to see you in heaven.
Entwistle56-60, M
All have sinned and come short? What sin has a new born baby commited?
CarazaaF
All creation is cursed. There is NO sin in heaven, and we are sinners because of genetics so we are all cursed and there is no hope for humanity except for Jesus dying for us, and the little babies too.@Entwistle
MarkA56-60, M
Always an answer, but always a dodgy, naiive, child-like answer. Face it....you just make this nonsense up as you go along to fit your own agenda, whatever that might be, which is why it's so easy to pull your arguments apart and impossible to take any religion seriously. There is ALWAYS an agenda.
TheWildEcho56-60, M
@MarkA there's no pass mark and if there was it would be 100% , no one can make that so we are accepted into God's kingdom by accepting the forgiveness Jesus offers
MarkA56-60, M
How come you know so much? Or are you simply making this crap up as you go along.....?
Can anyone else smell bullshit, or is it just me....?? 馃
TheWildEcho56-60, M
@MarkA im not making anything up, just explaining what millions of Christians believe all over the world. I became a Christian aged 17 and God flooded my life with His love and peace. Im not perfect by a long way but I know I've been forgiven
MarkA56-60, M
Aaaaahhhh, that amazing and important word again in this whole debate....'believe'. Believe away, all you like and good luck to you. I'm genuinely happy for you but, for me I DONT believe, not in Santa, not in ghosts, not in fairies at the bottom of the garden and not in God. Too many inconsistencies, too many holes in too many arguments and....far too many fanatics, but without one coherent piece of evidence between them. Just their own 'belief'. Why should I believe your beliefs?? (Rhetorical question!)
CarazaaF
If you read the Bible, starting on first page, God will speak to you personally, and he might save you too. Then you will know! Read and get back to us pls. and tell us what you think! I want to know when you have read at least the first book, Genesis.@MarkA
MarkA56-60, M
Sorry, I don't respond well to people telling me what to read. I wouldn't dream of telling you NOT to read the Bible.
For your info I have read more of the Bible than merely Genesis. I have read, or been read the whole Pentateuch at one time or another in my life and heard not a word. Not a whisper. Not a glimmer of anything, from anyone or anything. Zilch. I won't insult you or disrespect you by saying what I thought if those works, but it wasn't very positive. Sorry.
CarazaaF
The Bible is Gods words to humanity, but you don't have to read it. I just recommend you do, since I care about you!
MarkA56-60, M
Please just concentrate about caring for yourself, not me. I'm perfectly happy. There is nothing missing from my life that a deity of any denomination could provide, even if I believed in their existence, which I don't.
Enjoy your belief. Be happy.
CarazaaF
Be careful what you say because God is in charge of you and everyone and he blesses and he curses. I wish you the very best! I care!
CarazaaF
Also God tells us that we have to go out into the world and tell people the good news that Jesus, who is God in the flesh, came and took all your sins on his shoulders and was punished for all your sins so you can go to heaven. That is so wonderful. "How can you escape if you neglect such a great salvation" God says
MarkA56-60, M
That explains why believers are always nagging the rest of us who just want to be left alone. Have you ever wondered why the reaction you get is so negative from us non believers? It's arrogant of you and soooooo annoying.
CarazaaF
Jesus said "They reject me because their deeds are evil" We aren't arrogant but loyal to God. Have you ever read the book of Jonah? Its a short book how God told Jonah to go to a wicked town Nineveh that God would burn down and warn them to repent. He refused to go and God was angry with him, finally Jonah went (he didn't want to and was so scared people would kill him.) But the town Nineveh repented and God saved the town.
MarkA56-60, M
No. Not will I. I am genuinely bored now with having Bible quotes forced on me. This is the effect you fanatics have on us non believers.
Enough now. If you came knocking on my door for a 'chat' I would extremely rude. And yes, I know that's probably a sin in god's eyes. Perhaps 'he' should tell you to stop. It would be wise......for your own good. You demonstrate everything that I despise in a fervent believer. Sorry.
CarazaaF
I Did not at all want to disturb you. I just care about this tired and dying world. Take care!
MarkA56-60, M
Mankind has caused it, mankind will sort it out, not deities.
Take care yourself
CarazaaF
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