God scares me. [Spirituality & Religion]

I find the story of Jesus's crucifiction to be entirely unmoving. Death has no meaning if you know you will live on.

Also, on a personal note, my personal Hell is your God's Heaven. Eternal life is in itself a curse. The reason my life here is so special is that it has a time limit.

Unconditional love is not offered by God. His love is conditional on following his rules. Either that, or a God that loves you sends you to Hell.

@RoboChloe: Death takes on meaning when you decide where you'd like to spend eternity. Who would dare turn such an opportunity down, to live in heaven? Seems like a no-brainer, to me.

Your personal hell has nothing to do with God desiring that for you. When one is separated from God, out of fellowship with him and his love, those are the results, as you can see. That's the very reason he came, to give you a better, happier life, but if you want nothing to do with him, you'll continue to be miserable. The only appropriate words I can find for a God who loves you so much he died to cover your sins, so that when you die, you can go to heaven, instead of hell, is [b]pure Love[/b].

Eternal life never was the curse. It's sin that brought on the curse for mankind, and Jesus is the remedy. We should all be grateful for that. Otherwise, how would we like the alternative?

Yes, your life has a time limit. But not your spirit. It lives on. It's your choice where you'll spend eternity. That's something you can plan for now. That would be the wise thing to do. You can't make that choice after you die.

I don't want eternity. The idea of existing for eternity is such a sad, terrifying, and crippling idea. I want to live a good, full, happy life, and then I want it to end. No spirit, no soul to live on, just end. Because eternity is boredom. When you have forever, why do anything now? The time limit gives incentive to live fully and enjoy your existence. Eternal life is a curse.

If God died for me, then how is he not dead? This is what I mean when I say "Death has no meaning if you know you will live on." God made no sacrifice, he was always going to continue on, and he knew it. And after that, using his so-called sacrifice as blackmail?

Who would DARE? Really? I find it extremely callous to dare ask that! Heaven is eternal boredom and a waste of consciousness, but that doesn't even matter, because I wouldn't even get there anyway! me and my girlfriend would go straight to Hell, just for loving each other. After your so-called "Loving God" Apparently made us that way.

So please do forgive me if I don't find the idea of spending an eternity in Hell becasue of who I happen to love a very appealing idea.

All existence loses meaning if it is eternal. No matter the quality of that existence.

He's not dead, because he came back to life and rose from the dead, to show us that there is life after death and told us how we could go to heaven, too, after we die. Nothing is impossible for God. He had victory over death and the grave.

Yes, it's your choice, but God doesn't categorize sin like we do. Sin is sin, regardless of what type it is. He doesn't hate us. He hates sin, because it separates us from Him. He doesn't count one sin to be any worse than the other. We either accept him or reject him. God is fair. Sin is not. The consequences of it is separation from God, but Jesus said whosoever comes unto Me, I will in no way cast out. That sure doesn't sound like he's out to get us. But, whatever you wish to believe.

God never forces anyone to sin. They do that themselves.

Exactly, he came back to life. And he always knew he would! If you know you will survive, sacrificing your life means nothing at all.

Given that "Ps. 139:13 The Lord knit you together in your mother’s womb", I can safely say that according to your Bible, God made me bisexual. And then to categorise that as sin, after making it a part of me...I don't chose to love a woman, I simply do. Not only is it wrong to punish that, It's a sad and horrible reflection on your God that he would make someone a certain way, only to punish them for being like that.

@RoboChloe: In the spiritual world, the penalty for sin is paid by a blood sacrifice, or it is not forgiven. It has to be a pure sacrifice. That meant we could not pay for our own sins, so Jesus did that for us...for the whole world. That was far from meaning nothing, given he suffered a horrific death, which he didn't have to do. I'm sorry that means nothing to you. So is Jesus because he did that for you, so you could have a way to heaven.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say God made people bI-sexual or anything other than straight. He does speak against that, as that is not the way he designed us to love each other. He didn't make Adam and Steve, he made Adam and Eve to be partners, but I do know a few transgender and bisexuals that have given their lives to Christ. He loves us all the same. He didn't say I'll love you IF you are a certain type person. Our performance here has [b]nothing[/b] to do with salvation. Our sins, do. That is, one cannot get to heaven by being good. He loves the sinner as a person, but hates their sin and I told you why. Because our sins separate us from him. However, most people, knowing they are living in disobedience to God, do not want to take responsibility for their sins, so they blame God for their condition or problems. God doesn't cause us to sin. That's our choice. He came to save us [b]from[/b] the consequences of them. It's a matter of where we set our priorities. His offer is out there and available. If you refuse it, that is your choice, not his. None of us can say he forced us to sin, when we knew better. We are responsible for our actions. He loves you more than you'll ever know and he proved it, or he wouldn't have died for you. But he cannot make that choice for you. God the Father is so pure and holy, He cannot look on sin. If heaven had sin in it, it wouldn't be heaven. That's when Jesus volunteered to become the mediator between God and man, so that through Him, we might be saved.

It saddens me that hold such damaging misconceptions about non-hererosexual people, non-cisgender people, and atheists.

In the worldview of the Bible, it does imply that God made me exactly how I am. And that includes my bisexuality. You believe that he created me. That includes my brain, and therefore my sexuality.

God also designed us not to sin, but thanks to evil apples and a snake that God inexplicably put in the Garden of Eden and allowed to speak, that's what happens. And if we were designed to sin, and we were designed in the image of God, then what does that say about your creator?

Just because the story has a man and a woman doesn't mean that other options aren't available. Would it be sensible to assume all clothes must be blue if the first piece of clothing you ever see is blue?

I don't "know I live in disobedience of God", nor do I "blame God for [my] condition or problems". How can I live in disobedience of something that I know doesn't exist? How could I blame thin air for my problems? My problems are my own, and the fact that I have the capacity to deal with them and overcome them on my own is what gives me faith in myself.

The reason I debate with religious arguments and sometimes speak assuming his existence, is that I want to expose the flaws with the argument that God exists, and to show that if he did, he wouldn't be good.

In the end, I only have problems with religious people when they start telling people how to live. Religion itself however, is rife with problems, internal contradictions, and hatred for others.

@RoboChloe: No one tells you how to live. Nor I. I was simply sharing my faith, which I have a right to do, and do not put words in my mouth or God's. God loves [b]all[/b]. That means ALL. Not just some, and so do I. He makes the rules, I don't. What you have issue with, is that you said you do not believe in God, so why discuss him? Why say in the beginning of your post that you are scared of him? The problem lies in that you do not know the complete story of salvation. Naturally it is foolishness to you.

You are patronizing me by implying that sharing my belief is "forcing my beliefs on people here." While it's okay for others to shove their impurity and inappropriate stories, nude pics, filthy dialogue, etc.. in my and other's view to read, I don't protest, so they should learn to accept each person for who he/she is, as well. It's absolutely my right to express my views and experiences here, as much as I want and it's within my rights to defend my faith and clarify all the misconceptions thrown at me about it. A little respect would go a long way on this subject, just as I show respect to all others.

There is nothing wrong with expressing my love of god and life publicly. The people who have a problem with it are the one's who simply can't agree, and that's not a problem. To each his/her own.

I think it's clear in my post that I'm scared of God as a concept that people believe in, not as an actual real God. I read the Bible. You have to know what you're discussing before you discuss it. You do have the right to share your beliefs, as do I. I waw not reffering to you in that post when talking about forcing beliefs, I'm sorry it appeared that way. However, you have been patronising me throughout this entire conversation, so that's something to think on.

As for respect, I try to respect people and their opinions. But frankly, in your case, I lost that capability when you implied that my love for my girlfriend was sinful, and therefore wrong.

Read into it what you want. I didn't imply anything. I said God is against that type relationship.

@RoboChloe: I can't see who you are talking to here, so I presume that it is someone that has blocked me, probably for my views on religion.. :D . If that's the case it means that I must have won my argument.. :) :D