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Why Do They Continue To Ask, "Who Created God?"

That question has been answered many times and yet, they still want to ask it.

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Why must they believe that God was created than believe that He wasn't created? Created gods can't create. God, who has never been created, created the heavens and the earth as His Word gave testimony to.

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Charity · 61-69

Ask them how is it that energy cannot be created cannot be destroyed but can change forms. A scientific analysis that was not known 6,000 years ago.

Ask them how God is identified like / the same as energy 4000 years ago when they should not have had knowledge that there was actually something in existence that could not be created or destroyed.

God our Father is identified also as being spirit. Spirit as we know it has no physical form form but can change forms.

Ask them how do the scientific process of panspermia which is living organisms came from outer space down to earth, thus began the circle / evolution of life. Indicating the life, living organisms is alive out there in space why not God? Suppose those living organisms are a part of him?

Suppose the universe is him, considering scientific knowledge is now saying everything in existence is made of energy that would make us a form of living energy God himself could be the original living energy who was not created cannot be destroyed but can change forms (look at everything around us.)

It's not an answer to the question because man does not have the answer to the question, it was not given to man to know.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Charity

who was not created

All you're doing is begging the question

Charity · 61-69

@newjaninev2

begging the question?

What definition of begging are you using?

1) to ASK earnestly or honestly?

2) seeking a charity or gift?

It can also be said they are begging the question when they ask who created God but You wouldn't say that would you.

And you missed the whole point / no you didn't miss it, you rejected the point.

MoveAlong · 70-79, M

@Charity

God our Father is identified also as being spirit. Spirit as we know it has no physical form form but can change forms.

What you said makes:

Charity · 61-69

@MoveAlong

Thank you for your comment! To you and those who think like you it may not make any sense.

But those who believe what is written in Scripture believe in what it says and it is written of beings who exist in the spiritual realm that can change forms appearing as men in the physical realm.

SPIRIT Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster https://share.google/u7JlepDxGv2c4e9g9What is

1) vital principle held to give life to physical organisms

2) supernatural being or essence
a. Holy Spirit - b.soul - c. being that can become visible

You Don't believe in other unearthly beings, beings not from Earth or made of anything of the Earth that are supernatural from that which man can understand or do. Such beings that are written of in the Bible and all other ancient cultures.

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ElwoodBlues · M

@Charity asks

begging the question?
What definition of begging are you using?

The begging the question fallacy (or petitio principii) is a logical error where the argument's premise assumes the truth of its conclusion, essentially using the claim it's trying to prove as evidence, creating a circular argument that offers no real support. It's a form of circular reasoning where the conclusion is just a rephrasing of the premise, like saying, "This book is true because it says it's true," or "Wool sweaters are better because they're made of wool."

Charity · 61-69

@ElwoodBlues

Never said I was trying to prove anything as evidence.

I gave examples of what science dictates concerning the laws of thermodynamics and what the Bible says concerning God as well as a theory of origin of life on Earth began from living organisms in space and if you reject that the descriptions are identical that's your business.

And since you want to use that analogy -the same can be said towards those who say there is no God / their argument for lack proof asking or demanding proof of the existence of the entity especially to Christians refer to as God and they themselves cannot prove his nonexistence.

But you wouldn't use that analogy against the argument of an atheist would you?

Goes both ways!

And I give you the same thing I gave the other person

Here's something that's unexplainable, what they do man has no logic for

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ElwoodBlues · M

@Charity I agree: we can't prove either the existence or nonexistence of whatever deity we're discussing. Which is why agnosticism is the only sensible position to take!

MoveAlong · 70-79, M

@ElwoodBlues True. I don't discount the possibility that the universe was created by design. I just do not accept the god of the bible. Total nonsense.

Charity · 61-69

@MoveAlong

Fine by me, it's your choice. I believe it was Einstein who said the same as you and he was raised Jewish

Charity · 61-69

@ElwoodBlues

For some it is

From the 8 billion people now alive on Earth, removing the 2.6 billion children that would leave just over 5 billion adults

2.4 to 2.6 identify as Christians / 15.3 to 15.8 million identify with Judaism / 2 billion identify as Muslims and regardless of what the Muslims say they indirectly worship the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob of the Jews and Christianity so that makes estimated 5.1- 5.2 billion or so adults who believe and the same God of the 6 billion adults on Earth. that doesn't even leave a good billion.

How many children are there in the world? - UNICEF Data https://share.google/sYgsuOZIym8bxZQBS

So the majority of the people who live on earth believe in the God of the Bible and that's not counting the gods of Hinduism and Buddhism and Spiritualism and so forth.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Charity I think that perhaps you need to learn what the phrase 'beg the question' means

It does not mean 'beg for'

MoveAlong · 70-79, M

@Charity Well if everybody else believes it....

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Charity

scientific process of panspermia

Panspermia is simply a conjecture, not a scientific process. It relates to abiogenesis and tries to merely move abiogenesis somewhere else, while adding the complication of finding a way to move life from somewhere else to here. It's much simpler for abiogenesis to have occurred on Earth.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Charity

use that analogy against the argument of an atheist

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. there's no compelling necessity to even postulate the existence of gods, and postulating their existence explains nothing... it doesn't even explain itself.
4. therefore i have no gods (I'm an agnostic atheist)

Where's the argument?

Charity · 61-69

[@newjaninev2

I never said there was the required tangible / evidence / proof / of the entity we refer to as God, the Creator, the Heavenly Father.

The Bible indicates when supernatural beings visits the Earth they may actually hang out in mountain tops, other old and ancient cultures when they speak of Gods coming down from the sky also indicate they may hang out in mountain tops too....... The Bible tells us they are not from Earth they are from somewhere out there and the heavens / universes / in the Infinity of space.

Well compared to the billions of people who seems to understand the explaining of itself as written in scriptures compared to a couple of handfuls of millions of people who refute the explanations of the existence of supernatural beings, there is a mighty, mighty, mighty, big difference.

I have no argument for you, you are your own individual believe as you choose. You've heard, you've read, you've chosen.

And I have to ask do you argue with yourself since you are an agnostic atheist🤔? LOL

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Charity The first and second points make me agnostic about gods.

The third point makes me an atheist... i.e. I have no gods.

What is there in that to argue about?

Charity · 61-69

@newjaninev2

agnostic is not committed to belief or disbelief in any god
AGNOSTIC Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster https://share.google/fRFZUWCpqGGseVaVN

atheist is committed to disbelief any god
ATHEIST Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheist

Just wondering, putting those two words together seems to contradict itself - agnostics actually saying could be they don't know and atheists actually saying they know for sure the answer is no God exist, but somehow someway they have been put together.

On Being an Agnostic Atheist - The Bart Ehrman Blog https://share.google/EaaTlylH3MKCZkX0F

👋👋 By / Thanks for the conversation

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Charity

saying they know for sure the answer is no God exist

Where do I say that?

atheist is committed to disbelief any god

Where do I even so much as mention belief or disbelief?

Neither is necessary.

There is no compelling necessity to even postulate the existence of gods, therefore we can all simply drop the entire postulation into the trash bin and get on with doing something constructive instead.

GodSpeed63 · 70-79, M

@newjaninev2

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)

You got that one wrong.

2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)

You got that one right.

3. there's no compelling necessity to even postulate the existence of gods, and postulating their existence explains nothing... it doesn't even explain itself.

You got this partially right. We don't postulate, we share the good news. What we share is true.

4. therefore i have no gods (I'm an agnostic atheist)

You still have faith in what you believe.

Where's the argument?

So who's arguing?

ElwoodBlues · M

@GodSpeed63 says

You got that one wrong.

No, YOU got that one wrong!! If the existence of whatever deity were provable, there would be no need for FAITH! Yet faith is a fundamental tenet of believers in deities. Sorry, you can't have it both ways!!

So who's arguing?

YOU, sir, are arguing.

Charity · 61-69

@newjaninev2

**To identify as an atheist is saying there is no God**. I thought I had given the definition of those who identify themselves as atheist maybe I didn't so here it is again.

ATHEIST Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster https://share.google/JElxFZCJ4mnLZlydI

You didn't mention the beliefs of an atheist you identified as one so I did.

You can drop whatever you choose to drop - there are almost 6 billion people who believe in God. And to say we ALL should drop the entire postulation into the trash bins - then you need to contact each and every individual who identifies patient with god of the Bible, Torah, and Korean and tell them that _ then go further there are also gods of other cultures worshiped.

And whatever you feel to do is constructive you do it and apparently you feel **Christian** people are not living constructive lives and you are wrong.

DocSavage · M

@Charity
Not given to man to know ?
Nonsense, excuses. For what is beyond his grasp.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Charity

maybe I didn't

You didn't

The word 'atheist' literally means 'without gods'. It doesn't mean 'without belief'. It means 'without gods'... from the Greek word atheos, which combines 'a-' (without) and 'theos' (god).

the beliefs of an atheist

What beliefs?

1. there's no proof that gods exist (otherwise we'd all be theists)
2. there's no proof that gods don't exist (they might be lurking around a mountain-top somewhere)
3. there's no compelling necessity to even postulate the existence of gods, and postulating their existence explains nothing... it doesn't even explain itself.
4. therefore I have no gods (I'm an agnostic atheist)

Please identify the beliefs in that

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Charity “In fact, 'atheism' is a term that should not even exist. No one ever needs to identify himself as a 'non-astrologer' or a 'non-alchemist'. We do not have words for people who doubt that Elvis is still alive or that aliens have traversed the galaxy only to molest ranchers and their cattle. Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make in the presence of unjustified religious beliefs.”
Sam Harris

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