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Reality check:

There is no spirit. There is no God. There is no heaven. It's make believe for adults; fantasy role playing.
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thrash · 31-35, M
why stop there? only the thinking mind is proven - the body could be hallucination

or a model created by the brain

..but why stop there? there is no single place in the brain where a 'self' lives: what we call the mind is a stream of momentary activity - images, voices, impulses, memories, feelings - all stitched together by habit. so even the 'mind' is just label for a set of constantly shifting processes. it’s not a real entity

in the end, all there really is is awareness

that is to say: matter is a story told within awareness, not the other way around ..perhaps God is awareness itself
AnnaBunny · 18-21, F
@thrash Dismissing the physical plane of existence is quite a stretch.
thrash · 31-35, M
@AnnaBunny its only a stretch if you assume the physical.plane is fundamental. what we call 'the physical' is only ever experienced through perception. color, sound, texture - all arise in consciousness. wven the idea of a brain interpreting data is itself a model - a story that appears within awareness. am not denying the consistency or usefulness of the physical world. I’m questioning its primacy. just because a dream feels solid doesn’t make it ultimate reality, innit
AnnaBunny · 18-21, F
@thrash A dream state is acknowledged to be a departure from reality. This means that a waking state equiped with a sensory array is capable of detecting reality. And what do our senses detect? The physical plane.
thrash · 31-35, M
@AnnaBunny @AnnaBunny it is only acknowledged after the fact, usually. "they say a dream is only as real as it lasts—couldn't you say the same about life?"

also, don;t get me started on our senses lol. our senses are biologically evolved tools: evolution shaped our perception to prioritize survival, not truth or completeness. that is to say, there are facets of reality that escape our senses' ability to detect: infrared, ultraviolet, x-rays, gamma rays, radio waves, microwaves, sound frequencies, dark matter—our senses are not fit and not meant to detect reality in its entirety . the real stretch here is using the limited tools that are our senses to go on and say "I know all there is to reality", which is what this post (or the typical physcalist stance therein) does
AnnaBunny · 18-21, F
@thrash If you're trying to argue for God existing then do so without dismissing all that's tangible.
thrash · 31-35, M
@AnnaBunny i’m not rejecting what we can measure — I'm acknowledging that reality might be larger than what our measurements can grasp ..and scoffing at you, using those same tools, to make absolute statements
AnnaBunny · 18-21, F
@thrash Except I have the skill to prove the nature of our reality. It's not something widely taught.
thrash · 31-35, M
@AnnaBunny *scoffing intensifies*
AnnaBunny · 18-21, F
@thrash As you scoff I will continue to know.