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"Us" and "Them"

"Us" and "Them". Or perhaps the sheep and the goats. Or maybe the lost and the saved.

But one joker once said:- "There are only two kinds of people in the world - those that divide the world into two kinds of people and those who don't"

Ha ha!

Myself, I think we must first touch base, or in other words, first we must know at the deepest and most authentic level that we are all "one", equal. Having touched based, knowing this deeply, then perhaps we can differentiate, recognise differences. This recognition will not then be judgement but will always be coloured by empathy.

Which is why from a Christian perspective the only viable theology is Universalism. All are elected. A perspective that grows by the day by many who by study and knowledge, recognise such as a widespread teaching/belief within the early Church.

But Christian or not (and I am not) to see that we are One is the heart of any genuine spirituality - while those who believe in an eternal and ultimate division of human beings into the lost and saved will totally miss the heart no matter how pious they presume themselves to be.
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Nonsense. There’s always been good and always been evil. Sheep vs goats.. Children of the light and children of darkness.. and they live on different spheres… natural verses spiritual… and one day they will be totally separated from each other for eternity. Oh yes!
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@NoGamesTolerated Well, that is one opinion.

Myself, I do not divide into "natural" and "spiritual". What is, simply IS. And I stay by my view that diversification should only follow the deep recognition that at the fundamental level we are all "one".

But you are obviously welcome to think otherwise.
@SW-User And I stand on the Biblical view!!
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@NoGamesTolerated Well, I'll leave you Christians to argue amongst yourselves. I have many books in my library by biblically based Christians who argue for Universalism.
@SW-User and I’ll leave you to argue or pedal your nonsense. Carry on!
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@NoGamesTolerated Either explain in detail just why I post nonsense, or just go away. Thanks.
@SW-User fair enough. I’ll go away since we have very different faiths.
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@NoGamesTolerated So in effect you have no argument to offer.

As I have indicated/implied, many modern Christians share my own viewpoint. You appear unwilling to consider or investigate this.

All the best.
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@SW-User She's not wrong, nor it is merely her "opinion".

The good/righteous have more solidarity in being hated/persecuted by the world.

The wicked are a bunch of ass kissers, they go around playing both sides, using parts of the bible they like and can twist to suit their own meaning whilst ignoring the rest. They don't care about salvation, they only care about popularity.

And salvation isn't a popularity contest... (an idea that's lost on the pope/many Catholics apparently...)

"If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.
Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.
But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.
If I had not come and spoken unto them, they had not had sin: but now they have no cloak for their sin.
He that hateth me hateth my Father also.
If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father.
But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning." John 15:18-27
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@wildbill83 So if we are persecuted we must be right?
@wildbill83 Great scriptures there Bill … powerful