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The Ground of Being

Some words of others tend to stay with me. They often pop back into my mind. An example are these, written by the Catholic Scholar Heinrich Dumoulin:-

Whether, on its deepest ground, being is personal or impersonal, is something that humans will never be able to plumb by their rational powers. Here we face a decision which one makes according to one's own tradition and upbringing, and still more according to one's faith and experience. The Christian sees ultimate reality revealed in the personal love of God as shown in Christ, the Buddhist in the silence of the Buddha. Yet they agree on two things: that the ultimate mystery is ineffable, and that it should be manifest to human beings. The inscription on a Chinese stone figure of the Buddha, dated 746, reads......

"The Higest truth is without image.
If there were no image at all, however, there would be no way for truth to be manifested.
The highest principle is without words.
But if there were not words at all, how could principle possibly be revealed?"


(Well, my grandaughter, when not yet three, was not to be fooled. After a year or so of "grandad's special pizza" she saw through the whole thing.........."THAT'S not pizza, that's cheese on toast". And Grandad, chastened, retired to the kitchen to lick his wounds)

As I've said before, I am a non-theist, preferring the "silence of the Buddha". Yet interested in exactly where the dividing line falls between theism and non-theism - if anywhere.

Back in the day it was recognised by those who pursued "truth" that God could not exist in the same way that objects, or we ourselves, "exist". The ultimate source of all Reality is more the Ground of existence/being, the "ground" in which we live and move and have our being (as the Good Book says......😀)

This has largely been forgotten and many now simply say that until God demonstrates "his" existence to them then they will remain sceptical. Obviously any testimony of another will not be sufficient - and why should it be?

Yet some modern Christians, such as Paul Tillich and Thomas Merton do seek to explain all this. Merton actually traces the evolution of this fairly modern phenomenon of demanding that God show himself......He goes back to Descartes, where the search for truth and meaning was placed upon the thinking "I" as the one certainty. "I think, therefore I am". Merton shows how such a base will inevitably lead to a God as "object", out there, or up there, a God who will depend upon our will for his existence. And such a God will die, as per Nietzsche. So we live, in the west, with the death of God. Yet the ultimate source can never cease to be. Merton proposes another source of Being, in opposition to Descartes, which is one of the "ground", as spoken of above. (All this in his fine book of essays "Zen and the Birds of Appetite" - available from all good bookstores....😀)

In the "east" rather than "Ground", emptiness is spoken of, "sunyata", often bringing down accusations of nihilism and suchlike nonsense. But as one wag once said, we must place our feet upon the firm ground of emptiness, or as per the great Christian mystic St John of the Cross once said, if we wished to tread truly then we should close our eyes and walk in the dark.

Well, maybe enough for now.
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Amor69Fati · 56-60, M
Interesting read... Loved the granddaughter story and the linking with the essence of it all..

"The Higest truth is without image.
If there were no image at all, however, there would be no way for truth to be manifested.
The highest principle is without words.
But if there were not words at all, how could principle possibly be revealed?"

You should give some time to "VEDANTA"... If you have the time... I am sure you can draw more parallels... Keep sharing pls...👍🏼🙏🏼
SW-User
@Amor69Fati Yes, the same little lass once went into the office of the warden in our Retirement complex and "artfully" disturbed the sand in a little zen garden on the ladies desk. Ying and yang have never fully recovered!

😀
Carissimi · F
This is too academic for my early morning, pre-coffee brain to process, plus I gave up pondering the mysteries of existence a few years ago. It got me nowhere, but I do love the story about your granddaughter. Put a smile on my face. 😊
Carissimi · F
Exactly! It wasn’t a judgment of your writing, it was a truthful admission of my mental capacity to process such deep philosophy, not only pre-coffee, but most of the time now. I have done decades of deep thinking, and reading the Buddha, The Bible, The Vedas, etc; I eventually found myself going in circles, and my mind grew tired of it all. Now, I just am. That’s enough for me, but I know others need to take their own personal journey to find truth and meaning of existence. I came to the tentative conclusion that every thing is meaningful, while at the same time, it’s all meaningless. Just my 2 cents. Enjoy your day! @SW-User
SW-User
@Carissimi Well, that's it really. I find waffling like this therapeutic, if others gain anything then OK. Strangely, "meaning" and "meaninglessness" co-exist. When we settle upon a precise meaning, a final conclusion, we have congealed and can only act and live second-hand.

As a Pure Land myokonin, Saichi, has said:- "Not knowing why, not knowing why! That is my support, not knowing why! That is the namu-amida-butsu!"

I'm a quite simple guy.

Thanks
Carissimi · F
Agree. Expression of self is therapeutic for many. @SW-User
the basis for everything you say is the sw server's hard drive

matter

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by the way, buddhists recognize that the world is unknowable

in other words, the question of the basis of existence is meaningless

you know that
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A musical treat......

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