The Lie: Jesus Was Only A Man - The Truth: Jesus Is The Son Of God

@LadyGrace ok so in a natural disaster that god created that killed not only sinners or those who dont follow him BUT those who held high belief and followed his scifi novel to the T theyre just what? "Accidental" collateral damage? Or its a part of gods plan to punish the innocent to prove a moral point?

@Mistakesmakeus [quote]ok so in a natural disaster that god created that killed not only sinners or those who dont follow him BUT those who held high belief and followed his scifi novel to the T theyre just what? "Accidental" collateral damage? Or its a part of gods plan to punish the innocent to prove a moral point?[/quote]

You answered your own question really. God does not interfere with the will of man nor nature. They act on their own. The Bible says that when sin was introduced into the world, that not only affected man, but nature as well. There are none of these things in heaven and there were none of those things even in Adam and Eve's day UNTIL sin entered the world. We even see animals that are rebellious and mean in nature. As long as there is evil in this world things are not going to act normally, and God does not and did not, create evil. He came to save mankind, not to condemn him or the world. Wherever sin lives, so does death and destruction follow. There's much more to this but that takes Bible study in order for one to understand fully. Therefore, man should not criticize what he does not know. That kind of judgment is flawed.

@LadyGrace so god is here to save mankind even though he was the one that made it stupid easy to eat the forbidden fruit, for some reason did not account for the snake even though he already knew what was gonna happen. Did NOT do ANYTHING to hide said stupid tree and just put it out in the equivalent of a field and basically said "oh this is fine im sure nothing would happen to it here"?

@Mistakesmakeus You want me to answer, so please take the time and courtesy to read my answer. Although God is often viewed as the One causing these terrible catastrophes, He is not responsible. God is not in the business of causing natural disasters and calamities. On the contrary....He is the Giver of Life.

[quote]he was the one that made it stupid easy to eat the forbidden fruit, for some reason did not account for the snake even though he already knew what was gonna happen. Did NOT do ANYTHING to hide said stupid tree and just put it out in the equivalent of a field and basically said "oh this is fine im sure nothing would happen to it here"?[/quote]

Are you wanting to find fault with God? When he is perfect and cannot err? Let me ask you something. If you're married, how do you know if your wife loves you? She made a choice, right?
Or did you force her to love you? No you didn't, because you couldn't force her to love you, even if you wanted her to. If you love her, you won't force her to do anything. You will love her enough to let her make her own choices. And if you had forced her to, that wouldn't have given her free choice would it? Yet if she didn't love you, I'm sure you would be able to tell if she did or not, but that doesn't mean it was [b]your fault[/b] if she rejected you. This is what free will is about. Free will give us a choice but that doesn't mean God causes us to sin and make the wrong choice. Don't go blaming God for human choices. Just because he knew what man's choice would be, only explains his omniscience, alone! Don't go saying he [b]caused[/b] man to sin. That's a lie. Could I force you to rob a bank if you didn't want to and then blame you for it? God [b]warned[/b] them not eat from that one tree there, out of all the other trees in the garden, which were many by the way, or He said "it will cause you to die!" Now that's choice, and they knew they had a choice, but they decided to disobey God anyway. Just like your kids, you can tell your kids do not touch that hot stove, or it will burn you, and they will inevitably choose to do the opposite. Is that your fault? No! You warned them, but they disobeyed you and therefore suffered the consequences.

Don't be so quick and hard to blame God for everything. We have a [b]responsibility[/b] to obey man's laws AND God's spiritual laws or, we naturally suffer the consequences. If there were no laws, then that would take away choice, and choice tells us where our heart really is. Set on evil or good.

Now what do you have against God, that you're wanting to blame him all the time for everything? What about being grateful and [i]thanking[/i] Jesus for even [b]coming to Earth to save us from the consequences and condemnation that sin placed on us that sends us to hell? [/b] He didn't HAVE to do that, you know. But he did out of pure love for all of us, His creation. You cannot condemn God. He is love personified, even if you can't see it. Who you [b]should[/b] be blaming, is Satan, who is the author of death and destruction.

We're all in the same boat here. Whether Adam and Eve sinned or not, that example only shows us that man is stubborn and rebellious at heart. His very nature, is sinful. That's not God's fault! He doesn't condemn people and he does not send people to hell. When we [b]choose to sin, that separates us from a holy God, until we confess those sins[/b], that means we must take responsibility for our own bad choices, and ask Jesus to forgive us, and He does. This restores us back into right standing and fellowship with God the Father in Heaven. We can't go bragging our sins into heaven on our heels, or it wouldn't BE heaven. Now what's so hard about inviting Jesus into our hearts and lives as our Savior?

Are you afraid to take responsibility for your own bad choices? I'm not. I confess my sins to the Lord and I realize I alone, am responsible for them. He has nothing to do with my choices. But because I love him for all He has done for me, especially dying on the cross to atone for my sins, I don't want to sin, but when I do, I go to my loving heavenly Father and ask him to forgive me and He does.

I don't think you realize or appreciate all that Jesus went through, all the suffering and horrible agony on the cross, just to save you and I from hell. That's what you should be looking at... instead of trying to find fault with God. He didn't [b]have[/b] to save us from hell, but he did. In fact, he [b]volunteered[/b] to pay for our sins on the cross, with his blood. The Bible says without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. That's how serious sin is in the spiritual world because it keeps us separated from God the Father, until we do something about it, and that is, ask Jesus to forgive us and invite Him into our hearts and lives as our Savior.

Who is [b]man[/b] to try to change God's rules for the Plan of Salvation? Nobody. God knows what He's doing and He doesn't need our help, and he didn't give man the authority or permission to [b]change[/b] his Plan of Salvation, because it works! Now if man wants nothing to do with God, but wants to reject His only plan to save mankind, and curses and mocks and laughs and rejects God and His plan, then what can man expect? If man wants nothing to do with God or his Plan of Salvation and tells him so, God will give that person the desire of his/her heart. They won't go to heaven because of their own choice to reject the only plan that could have saved them. [b]That's not God's fault. [/b] The [b]fault[/b] lies in [b]our[/b] choices. We could have been saved, but we said "no, we don't need you God."

There's not one person in this whole world that has to miss heaven, yet many will, because they rejected God's only Plan of Salvation so He could save them. That's what He came for. To [b]save[/b] us, not to [b]condemn[/b] us. And that's what we should be concentrating on, instead of looking for mistakes and faults in God, because He doesn't make mistakes! Man is not smarter nor wiser than God, though in his arrogance, he thinks he is. Our souls live on for eternity and a smart person will plan for [b]where he will spend eternity[/b] right now, because after one dies, it's too late to say "Oh yeah, I believe you, God! I believe!" It doesn't work that way. He will not be manipulated. A person is [b]foolish[/b] to neglect their own soul, because if you take a chance and gamble with your soul, that there is no salvation, and there's no heaven, and there's no hell, well you will [b]stay[/b] seperated from God by your own choice, because God is not willing that [b]any[/b] misses heaven. We know what it takes, so there's no excuse if we miss heaven by our own choice. Jesus did everything possible he could do to save us, but he can't make us and He will not force his will on us. If you want to be stubborn and say no God I don't want you and I don't need you then guess what. You will have the desires of your heart.

@LadyGrace [quote]Now why would God want to help people who mock Him, criticize Him, curse Him, and don't believe Him? He is not to be treated like some great Genie In The Sky that we go to only when we want something from him. God is no fool[/quote]

Amen, sister, amen!!