The Lie: God Is Evil - The Truth: God Is Good

@SnailTeeth [quote]It's not God we're afraid of... It's the crazy people who believe in God.[/quote]

If you're talking about religious fanatics, I agree with you. If your talk about us believers, You're right, we are crazy for Christ, unlike religious fanatics who don't know Him.

@GodSpeed63 The fanatics would say the same. Just as every religious zealot believes their religion is correct. :)

@SnailTeeth [quote]The fanatics would say the same.[/quote]

They might but it wouldn't be the truth.

@GodSpeed63 The truth is subjective. Everyone's bias is built on truth. Just because it's not framed to serve your truth, doesn't nullify its validity as a truth.

@SnailTeeth [quote] The truth is subjective.[/quote]

The truth belongs to nobody but the One who established it before the foundations of the earth. The truth is for all of us.

@GodSpeed63 That's just self-serving circular logic you scapegoat onto God.

@SnailTeeth [quote] That's just self-serving circular logic you scapegoat onto God.[/quote]

Are you here to get at the truth or just to argue?

@GodSpeed63 You should be asking yourself that. I simply said we're both right in our own rite, which is true. Otherwise, we would not carry implicit bias as part of our identities.

@SnailTeeth [quote] simply said we're both right in our own rite[/quote]

We can't be both right, how will the truth be brought out?

@GodSpeed63 The truth is subjective, it's why Niccolò Machiavelli is still relevant 800 years later.

Even statistics (though factually true) can be used to lie, as proven in 1954 by Darrell Huff.

@SnailTeeth [quote] The truth is subjective[/quote]

The truth is absolute and it's for everyone.

@GodSpeed63 The truth is a series of facts that can be strung together to serve a narrative. It's why sensationlist media has become a commodity in an age of idiocy. It's why the social divide is widening.
In order for you to prove your version of truth to me, you would first have to prove God exists.
You can really only prove that for yourself, and so your God has given you a futile mission on which to waste your life.
Or perhaps it was just the first pastor, indoctrinating the world into their pyramid scheme.
I chose to believe the latter, though I do not deny the possibility of a deitic existence.
Rather I err on the side of caution, in not being presumptuous like every other sure-headed foolish zealot (they're a dime-a-dozen).
I feel this has better served me, than just hoping God will fix things.
I hope your truth at least serves you, and is not just an old, ungalvanised chain for you.
At least Mormonism works as one of those adjustable leashes, and their followers seem to be the happiest.

@SnailTeeth [quote]In order for you to prove your version of truth to me, you would first have to prove God exists.[/quote]

I don't have a version of the Truth and neither do you. How can I prove what has already proven? You've done a great job at testifying that God lives as He has already proven.

@GodSpeed63 Hey, I'm not against you at all. I just like playing the cards to see how far we can progress in this game of questions.

For the first 30 years of my life I thought I knew a God existed, and I can't outright deny that one doesn't.

All I can tell you, is that I woke up in a room of people with their heads bowed, all from various religions, all praying to their own different idols. Arguing amongst themselves endlessly over things that could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. And it just seemed idiotic. It seems like a fruitless endeavor. All day just arguing about this dad you never knew, and how they can beat up everyone else's dad, and how when they come back they're going to give you a mansion made of gold, etc etc.

All I want is to be happy.
That's all I want for anyone.
Comfort when comfort is desired.
Unconditional food and shelter for all.
Work towards higher goals, not just lining our pockets.
It's nice to have everything, but only if you have others with whom to share and appreciate.

I think God kills a lot of appreciation.
God dulls a lot of compassion and consideration.
God becomes a javelin for many.
I don't blame God, I just think the idea is a tool that is fashioned to serve the ego, while scapegoating accountability/consideration. God is a nice hole where people bury their regrets and wipe their hands clean.

Truth is just whatever the victors of history decide.

@SnailTeeth [quote]Hey, I'm not against you at all.[/quote]

Nor am I against you at all.

[quote]All I can tell you, is that I woke up in a room of people with their heads bowed, all from various religions, all praying to their own different idols. Arguing amongst themselves endlessly over things that could not be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. And it just seemed idiotic. It seems like a fruitless endeavor.[/quote]

You're right, it is a fruitless endeavor. What you don't understand is that it's not about religion, it's about a close relationship with God in heaven as He desired in the first place.

[quote]All I want is to be happy.
That's all I want for anyone.
Comfort when comfort is desired.
Unconditional food and shelter for all.
Work towards higher goals, not just lining our pockets.
It's nice to have everything, but only if you have others with whom to share and appreciate.[/quote]

If you want to live in a perfect world, get saved. This fallen world of ours will not last much longer and God will make a new heaven and a new earth. Here there will no more sorrow, or pain, or suffering, or even death. This is God's promise to those who will worship Him in deed and in truth. I hope to see you there.

[quote]I think God kills a lot of appreciation.
God dulls a lot of compassion and consideration.
God becomes a javelin for many.
I don't blame God, I just think the idea is a tool that is fashioned to serve the ego, while scapegoating accountability/consideration. God is a nice hole where people bury their regrets and wipe their hands clean.[/quote]

It's obvious that you don't know Him or is Word.

[quote]Truth is just whatever the victors of history decide.[/quote]

The Truth belongs to God and Him alone. He shares it with whom He wills to share it.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]If you want to live in a perfect world, get saved. This fallen world of ours will not last much longer and God will make a new heaven and a new earth. Here there will no more sorrow, or pain, or suffering, or even death. This is God's promise to those who will worship Him in deed and in truth. I hope to see you there.[/quote]
Every past generation has preached this nonsense, and every past generation has been wrong.

You say that only God knows the truth, but that's objectively impossible, as I've clearly tried to rationally argue. Every argument I give you, you just throw up the God defense, and you blindly believe in your circular logic.

It's exhausting. You're exhausting me with this idiocy. And it is idiocy by definition, because there's not a lick of logic to it. It's frustrating trying to talk to you, because you're being unreasonable.

So go on, reply with whatever nonsense you choose. If it's another BS line about God, then don't even expect a response. This is childish and pointless.

@SnailTeeth [quote]Every past generation has preached this nonsense, and every past generation has been wrong.[/quote]

Every past generation has claimed that it would come in their lifetime. I'm not claiming that.

[quote]You say that only God knows the truth, but that's objectively impossible,[/quote]

With God, all things are possible. There is nothing impossible with Him.

[quote]It's exhausting. You're exhausting me with this idiocy. [/quote]

Forgive me but you keep failing to prove anything you say is true. How am I supposed to know that you're telling the actual truth if you can't or won't support it?

[quote]because there's not a lick of logic to it[/quote]

Get to know what logic is first before you start talking about logic. There's human logic that is fallible, then there's Godly logic that is infallible. Know the difference.

[quote] It's frustrating trying to talk to you, because you're being unreasonable.[/quote]

How am I being unreasonable?

[quote] This is childish and pointless.[/quote]

If it's childish and pointless, it's on your part. I've been patient with you hoping that you'll try to support what you claim is true and you haven't done it yet. You claim to be rational about this and yet, all I've seen is you being irrational about it. Understand, this is my observation of our conversation. On my end, I'm trying to get at what's right, on your end, you just want to be right whether you're actually right or not. You're forgetting that this is about truth and lie, not about who's right or wrong. Savy?