The Lie: God Sends People To Hell - The Truth: God Grants Those People Their Hearts' Desire

@Rhode57 Yeah, forgiving, loving, peaceful....but absolutely HATES gay people....

@originnone No sorry dont believe he hates anyone . Gays cant help being gay they dont choose it , its just part of who they are . Its no different to straight people being attracted to the opposite sex . We dont choose our sexuality its already part of us when we are born its not a choice and its offensive saying things like that .

@Rhode57 You don't know the whole story and you're judging God. To understand better, we could ask two people who are in love, why they would even want to have children, because [b]after all[/b]......the parents, being SO SMART.... know they'll get in trouble and do things they shouldn't [b]anyway[/b], when they're tempted, so best to just not have them. See how that makes no sense? God loves us THOUGH we sin. Though He knew down the line, that we would hurt him and actually send him to the cross, he [b]still[/b] loved us enough to create us. That's how much he loved us.

The point is, that SIN is not [b]fair[/b]. GOD is fair, but sin is not fair. That is the NATURE of sin. Destruction is a consequence of sin. God does not want sin to happen. He did not want Adam and Eve to sin, but they had the ability to know right from wrong and had the right to choose good or evil.

We can be grateful to God. There are always two sides to a story. Was it fair that Jesus suffered the cross, though he had no sin? Adam and Eve lived in a world with [u]no sin in it[/u], in the beginning. [i]That's[/i] the world God wanted for them, but they chose to sin against God. We can't blame God, even for something [b]we[/b] choose to do today. When they sinned, they forfeited ownership of this world, over to Satan. Just because God knew what would happen, does not mean that he caused it. Don't forget that God is perfect and without sin or error. He does not interfere with our will. That's one thing he will not do is make choices [u]for[/u] us. That means whether we do good or bad, that is our responsibility, and that's why people want to blame God, instead of themselves for sinning. God was gracious enough to make mankind so that they could have their own will. We should be grateful to God, if anything! Without the love of God towards us, every one of us would have been destined for hell, and lost forever. Why? Because only a holy, pure, sinless sacrifice covers our sins. That's why we could never save ourselves and had to depend on God's son, Jesus, to provide a way for us to have eternal life in heaven.

Without the shedding of blood, there IS no forgiveness of sin. [Hebrews 9:22] That's what Jesus did for US, though we sure didn't deserve Him to. How 'bout we blame Satan, the chief of liars and deceivers of this world, instead of God, who died to save even some whom He knew would be ungrateful.

@originnone [quote] Yeah, forgiving, loving, peaceful....but absolutely HATES gay people....[/quote]

God doesn't hate gay people. Why would He hate people who are gay? He loves to see us be joyful and happy in the real definition of the word. He loves His precious creation who are homosexual too but hates the sin of homosexuality. He wants to set those people free from their prison.

@Rhode57 [quote]sorry dont believe he hates anyone . Gays cant help being gay they dont choose it , its just part of who they are . Its no different to straight people being attracted to the opposite sex . We dont choose our sexuality its already part of us when we are born its not a choice and its offensive saying things like that .[/quote]

Well if you're going to say that God hates gays, then you may as well include liars and thieves and murders and disabled, you, me, the world, and people with different colored hair. I mean, you may as well cover everybody because God doesn't hate anyone. That's the truth of the matter. He doesn't like the things we do sometimes, but he loves us as a [b]person[/b]. God loves us no matter who we are. His love is not determined by our actions or gender. Nor by our performance. When God said he loves all, he meant he loves all, not just some, and John 3:16 said He loves all and He died to save all.

@Rhode57 [quote]I believe there was a creator and life after this earthly life and if our creator is all powerful etc there isnt a hell we are living it and heaven is the life after our earthly life .[/quote]

That would be nice and wonderful and all if everyone could go to heaven but it doesn't work that way. Sin...all sin....no matter who we are....keeps one out of Heaven until we repent of our sins. We can't expect God to let sin into a perfect beautiful heaven, or it wouldn't be heaven and it couldn't be called heaven so that has to be remedied before we can get into heaven. God does not categorize sin, like man does. ALL sin keeps us from heaven, until we repent.

If people think this is hell, this is a play day, a fun day, compared to what hell is like. And though no one wants to admit there is a hell, God is no liar. If he said there's a hell there's a hell and that's the very reason he left his throne in heaven and came to Earth, though he didn't have to, just so he could save us from hell, so we can't say there's no hell. Jesus didn't do that for his health. He didn't suffer the most horrendous death in history because there was no hell. He's trying to keep people from it, not condemn them to it! And whether people want to believe in Hell or not, they can do that, and they can say oh there's no hell, but that's not going to change one thing. People will still end up in hell, but they don't have to. That's the sad thing about it. Not one person has to go to hell but because of one reason or another, yes they will. And that's one thing people blame God for, that he did his dead level best even giving his very life, so we wouldn't have to. The people are stubborn headed. God tells them one thing, trying to save everyone he can, and then they say, "Oh no, you're wrong God!" What is THAT, if not rebellious? Who are we, to tell God, he's wrong?

@GodSpeed63 I realize that. I was making a point....

@originnone [quote] I realize that. I was making a point....[/quote]

Which is?

@GodSpeed63 The Christian right (primarily evangelicals) rejects homosexual acts and considers such acts to be sinful...thereby resulting in the individuals receiving damnation if they are not repentant. I would say it's basically based on the words of St. Paul, but that's really beside the point. My post was meant tongue in cheek regarding the larger point....

@originnone [quote]The Christian right (primarily evangelicals) rejects homosexual acts and considers such acts to be sinful...thereby resulting in the individuals receiving damnation if they are not repentant.[/quote]

You need to understand that homosexuality was never a part of God's nature. When He created us, He created in His image and likeness. Homosexuality came as part of the sinful nature at the fall of mankind. When we sin, we act out of character. Homosexuality is a plague of the sinful nature so when homosexuals practice their lustful desires for one another, they are acting out of the character that God placed in them from the very beginning. This is the point that I'm making.

@GodSpeed63 Lots of things weren't of God's nature when he created man. He probably wasn't a switch hitter in baseball either. My point is that there is little to condemn the practice other than what Paul said explicitly. I get your point....I'm just not bought in.

@originnone [quote]Lots of things weren't of God's nature when he created man. He probably wasn't a switch hitter in baseball either. My point is that there is little to condemn the practice other than what Paul said explicitly. I get your point....I'm just not bought in.[/quote]

God has to judge this fallen world of ours with His righteous judgement whether you buy into it or not. Sin will be dealt with once and for all and those that have Christ in their hearts will dwell in paradise for all eternity. That's His Word and His promise.

@GodSpeed63 I fully agree with your last post....at least I would if I still believed.....

@GodSpeed63
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Nature say otherwise.

@DocSavage [quote]Nature say otherwise.[/quote]

I seriously doubt that.

@GodSpeed63 [quote] those that have Christ in their hearts will dwell in paradise for all eternity. [/quote]
Prove it! Remember, quotes from a book of myths and superstitions (the bible) are just claims, they're not proof of those claims.

@GodSpeed63
Why, plenty of video of it.
You going to deny it all ?

@DocSavage He isn't interested in facts and the truth, just his little book of myths and superstitions.

@DocSavage @Sharon [quote]Why, plenty of video of it. You going to deny it all ?[/quote]


Why not? It's the lie of the century.

[quote]He isn't interested in facts and the truth, just his little book of myths and superstitions.[/quote]

You keep getting things backwards, Sharon, as usual. It's obvious that facts and truth are not your cup of tea.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]It's the lie of the century. [/quote]
Unlike the bible, which is a collection of lies of several millenia.

@Sharon not lies....a lot of good information from a specific perspective

@originnone There is a lot of misinformation in the bible. As well as a lot of hatred.

@Sharon probably more hatred than misinformation...It's really a spiritual book I guess...from that perspective, maybe it's not as important if there are some historical errors.

@originnone It's full of factual errors, some very dangerous ones.

@Sharon I'm not challenging you, but do you have an example?