Belief Follows Truth : God's Perfect Creation

@newjaninev2 He doesnt seem to know what "random chance" even means.

@Sharon Yup, this is the point where he runs away.

@newjaninev2 @Sharon [quote]Let’s explore that, shall we?[/quote]

If you can tell me precisely how random chance and natural selection produced such beauty and perfect timing accurately in detail, we'll discuss it.

@GodSpeed63 Evolution is change in the frequency and distribution of alleles.

Do you accept that the frequency and distribution of alleles changes, or is every organism exactly like every other organism [i]i.e.[/i] there is only one species on Earth?

@newjaninev2 [quote]Evolution is change in the frequency and distribution of alleles.[/quote]

You're not telling anything. Do you know or don't you know how such beauty and perfect timing can come about without intelligent design?

@newjaninev2 As usual, refusing to give a straight answer to a direct question. The troll rides again.

@GodSpeed63
Like I said before. You want proof, just compare your “intelligent designed “ to one that hasn’t been intellectually designed. Assuming of course you can tell them apart, when you found one.

And you still owe me a light year.

@GodSpeed63 Yes, I do know

Apparently, you don’t

So I’m trying to help you come to an understanding.

It just needs a few questions...

[b]Do you accept that the frequency and distribution of alleles changes, or is every organism exactly like every other organism [i]i.e.[/i] there is only one species on Earth?[/b]

(If you’d like help understanding what an allele is, please ask, and I'll explain it to you)

@newjaninev2 [quote]Yes, I do know[/quote]

Well, then, spit it out. Just don't beat around the bush.

@GodSpeed63 Evolution is change in the frequency and distribution of alleles.

Nothing more, nothing less.

If you need me to explain alleles to you, than I’d be happy to do so.

Natural Selection is sex and death within constantly changing environments

Nothing more, nothing less.

Evolution is the [i]process,[/i] and Natural Selection is the [i]mechanism[/i]

@GodSpeed63
It's random chance when somebody wins lotto - but eventually someone always does win.
Same thing happens with the bonding of atoms into molecules called proteins (RNA) in the sea. There are so many billions of billions of them swirling about -under just the right conditions - that it's inevitable they will bump into each other. When certain elements (atoms) meet, their electrical charges attract them and they join - many billions of times over. And because certain atoms like carbon can attract up to four other atoms, similar or identical molecules form billions of similar molecules -- making the next stages of evolution into single celled life just as inevitable.
It's actually not random at all. Under the conditions of our planet, it was always highly probable that life would evolve.
Think back to the age of dinosaurs and the subsequent eras of megafauna mammals. Life evolves in many different forms - and not all forms develop complex intelligence.
If we send ourselves extinct through climate change, other forms of life will evolve out of the few species that manage to survive.
That could happen over about twenty cycles of evolution and destruction until our Sun grows too cool to sustain life.

@hartfire
[quote] . Life evolves in many different forms - and not all forms develop complex intelligence.[/quote]

Your problem is you’re trying to explain abiogenesis and evolution to one of those life forms. It won’t work, you’re using too many big words for him to follow.

@DocSavage Do you think it is hopeless to try to explain these processes -- or do you think it might be possible if I broke it down into much simpler language?

My impression is that Godspeed63 is an ardent Christian fundamentalist and creationist -- and that he sees it as a part of his role to try to convert others to his faith.

I don't think he wants to understand evolution or the discoveries in physics and other sciences that provide such comprehensive proof on so many levels.
Perhaps if he did understand it, it might shake the foundations of his faith.

Yet there are many other kinds of Christians (Anglicans, Catholics and others) who find no problem with believing in both science and Christianity: they regard the OT as a metaphor rather than a literally true account.

But I'm inclined to think that if we make efforts to understand one another's different models of how existence comes to be, we are better able to interact with tolerance and kindness.

It is, of course, harder to be tolerant if someone is fanatical and responds to polite statements with abuse. In such an instance I have no qualms about shunning that person.

@GodSpeed63 Do you know what alleles are and how they function?

@hartfire
Judging from past experience. You’re wasting your time with him.

@GodSpeed63
Yeah she is. The beauty your talking about serves a purpose in evolution.
Appearance can be used as camouflage, and / or to attract a mate . Doesn’t make it any less beautiful, but the beauty has a definite use for continued survival of the species.