Why do people insist that their belief is true and beliefs followed by others are false ?

@Pretzel True. I get your point. But problem is when no one knows the actual truth. It's all beliefs and no validation or evidence. Yet one authoritatively says that their belief is superior to others.

@SW-User Can't argue with logic. we're all just stumbling around here trying to survive until we don't any more

@Pretzel That's true.

@SW-User Why can't we know the truth? It is a matter of faith and acceptance, never feeling superior over another, forcing beliefs, nor man-made philosophy/religion. It's not about the individual believer. What matters in the end, is whom we had our faith IN, where will we spend eternity, and how do we ensure our destination takes us to the right place? Jesus didn't leave us in the dark about that, to guess how to get to heaven. He gave us specific details about His standard for getting there. Not other's standards. We're all in the same spiritual boat here. One, no better than the other, so all the squabbling with each other and pointing fingers at each other, is pointless. Jesus said to love one another. His purpose in coming, was to tell us and even show us by His resurrection, that He has provided us hope and life beyond the grave. Whether we accept His provision or not, is up to the individual. He never said having all the answers before we can have heaven, was necessary. We either trust Him and His plan for salvation, or we don't. It's as simple as that.

@Pretzel You got that right. One better know what they believe, why, and in whom. Eternity is too long to get it wrong. But I wouldn't make fun in calling Him "gawd". What if you're wrong?

@LadyGrace

Thank you for putting a lot of efforts in your reply. I really appreciate that. To reciprocate, I felt I cannot do justice if I don't address some of the core points even though I disagree on many points. Views are purely my perspective and I realise it may be different from that of many. I do respect your opinion. Even this post of mine I posted when I got annoyed by something.

[quote]@kamala Why can't we know the truth? [/quote]
Everyone in this world are learning the truth. Life is a journey that guides us towards the truth. For me, truth is not just a mere statement. Truth is absolute as well as infinite. Each passing day we come closer to the truth. At times we get drifted or come closer. Each drift teaches us lessons to move closer. Every experience in life brings us closer to the truth. Sometimes seniors pass on the learnings from their experience to their younger ones. Younger ones build on that. Through their respective journeys and exploration they move closer to truth.

[quote]It is a matter of faith and acceptance, never feeling superior over another, forcing beliefs, nor man-made philosophy/religion.[/quote]
I would respectfully disagree. Moral codes were formed with a purpose to enhance the way if life. The fear of God ensured righteousness. Scriptures were written to enhance knowledge and know oneself and the truth and preserving the knowledge. Moral codes got evolved into customized religions. Rules were modified to fit the political goals. Many of the religions created customized versions of God. People started claiming proprietary rights over God to enhance their political visibility. Emotions of people were manipulated to fit their narratives. The whole purpose of moral codes started to disintegrate when manipulated people started fighting for the name of God and arguing with each other. The world turned into a mad house.
To restore the earth and the precious life inside, people need to realise that truth is knowledge. Experience is the best teacher. Acquiring knowledge needs an open mind. If one is looking for knowledge outside experience it is sensible to learn all about all perspectives and versions of truth. Use one's own intellect to judge and make informed truth. And not to worry about God's name, not to worry about if God is one or many, not to worry about how to worship God, not to worry about which religion God belongs to, instead just think that God is a guiding force that comes from within and not from outside. Experience drives Knowledge. Knowledge enlightens the inner guide. The inner guide will lead us to God. God is not a destination instead it's a journey. Not to worry about the result or the destination, but worry about the process. No one can tell us who God is. If we are thinking God is someone whom others tell us to believe, we are surely not focusing on the process and bound to loose our track.
Coming to faith and acceptance,these two are the most manipulated words in today's world. People need to realise the true meaning of faith. No one can define faith for us. Faith is what we believe what truth is and not what someone else believe. Faith is not a process to reach a destination or means to destination - be it heaven or hell.


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It's not about the in0dividual believer. What matters in the end, is whom we had our faith IN, where will we spend eternity, and how do we ensure our destination takes us to the right place? Jesus didn't leave us in the dark about that, to guess how to get to heaven.[/quote]
Again I would like to respectfully disagree here.
Infact it is the matter of individual believer. It is a matter of individual choice and it is a matter of individuals freedom of thought and choice. Even God will appreciate us if we focus on making this earth a heaven rather than worrying about an imaginary heaven outside. When we have mother earth who takes care of all our needs let's take care of her and be grateful to her rather than dreaming about an imaginary father who sits in heaven. Let's consider God as love rather than a person. God is love that binds the children of this earth to their mother.
I would like to believe that there is God. However I would not like to endorse that God is either Jesus or Allah or Buddha or Shiva or for that matter anyone. People can believe whom they find more suitable. If we cross that thin line of respect between faiths, problems happen and it will lead to disaster. Even a true God will not appreciate that. Most of the hatred in world today stems from the concept that my God is true and your God is false. World would be a better place if we remove the claim of one God and true God and only God. Many claims that. Everyone has their own truths. Every faith has their own story to tell and every faith can point to witnesses and every faith has stories to tell about the sacrifices and righteousness of the God whom they believe.
Inshort no one in this world can claim their faith is the only true faith and there is only true God.
Let us all stop arguing and fighting over God. Let us all stop streading choas in the name of saving people from going to hell. Instead let us all embrace humanity.

Humanity is caring for people, being there for them for times when they need without selling our faith.

Helping people is not about helping them to reach heaven. Instead helping people is about being there for them in times of need.

Lastly, when I see your writings and the thinking process, I do understand from where you come from. I do understand that you intend to do the goood things. I do understand that you are loving and caring. And I do understand that we both think in dissimilar ways. I know there is reason for the way you think and the way I think. Putting across my thoughts not to prove anyone wrong but because I care for humanity in my own ways that seems correct to me that may or may not be for others.

@SW-User Thanks, Kamala. I enjoyed reading your thoughtful and detailed reply. I'll answer them now.

[quote]Everyone in this world are learning the truth. Life is a journey that guides us towards the truth. For me, truth is not just a mere statement. Truth is absolute as well as infinite. Each passing day we come closer to the truth. At times we get drifted or come closer. Each drift teaches us lessons to move closer. Every experience in life brings us closer to the truth. Sometimes seniors pass on the learnings from their experience to their younger ones. Younger ones build on that. Through their respective journeys and exploration they move closer to truth.[/quote]

I like what you said. We do learn every day. It is a journey, for sure, and not just one. There are lots of lessons to learn, both about this life and how to prepare for the next. I was speaking of "truth" in the spiritual sense, as Jesus spoke of, in His Word. Jesus said the truth sets us free... meaning, speaking of, and presenting Himself as the only Truth. He said not to follow man or his ways, as they lead to sure destruction. I listen to Him, not finite man, who is not smarter nor wiser than God. This is why, Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man can come to my Father, but by Me."

No one is selling faith. It's not for sale. Who knows better than God, about what our future holds? It only makes sense to prepare for what's ahead. No gloom and doom....there's no reason [i]anyone[/i] has to miss heaven. Jesus said so. He said salvation is a free gift, just for the asking. Part of faith includes loving, caring, and helping others in times of need, yes. And Jesus said we need Him. This world and the evil therein, helps us see why we need Jesus. It is clear, we cannot save ourselves from the condemnation sin has brought on all, but that's not the end. Without Jesus, man can't even find, or know [i]how[/i] to get to heaven. Jesus sets the standard for salvation; not man, though man thinks so.

A wise man plans ahead for his future, knowing full well, he must keep his appointment with death. He will not leave his own soul to chance. Jesus tells us exactly how to get to heaven in His Word, not leaving us to guess or to chance. That's one thing we want to get right, because we'll be spending forever in eternity, opposed to a short life here on Earth. Of course, not all will believe, but Jesus told his disciples to go out and tell the world about His saving grace, so none would miss heaven. What they decide to do with that knowledge is up to them, but Jesus told us that until we repent of our sins, those sins shall keep us separated from God and heaven.

God doesn't send people to hell. Sin does. It keeps us separated from God, until it is forgiven by Jesus. Jesus came to save us from the condemnation sin put on us. We either believe Him or we don't. Jesus said there's no in between. Man can go off and try to earn salvation and get to heaven by being good or trying to be good, on his own, but that's false security. Jesus said our own efforts won't work, when it comes to salvation, and only leads to a dead end, without Christ or heaven. Our salvation is not based on our performance. It is based on Jesus' work and atoning blood, that paid for our sins on the cross. If we'll accept Jesus as Savior, His loving sacrifice on our behalf, will pay for our sins. Jesus said it. That's why it counts. He came to teach us that, so we would know and not have to guess how to get to heaven. No man-made religion or philosophy will rescue us, beyond the grave. But Jesus will. He said he will, and as God, he is incapable of lying. Jesus died to save the world, not condemn it. I see no other gods in this world offering the same. No other gods who sacrificed their life and paid for our sins, so we can live in heaven when we die. If so, please tell us who. Who cared about us and loved us that much, that they were willing to lose their own life, so we might be saved? Jesus not only said He loves us...He proved it.

@LadyGrace

Thank you Grace. I am happy that we both agree that life is a journey and we keep learning with each passing day.

Now for the spiritual truth that you are touching upon,

[quote]I was speaking of "truth" in the spiritual sense, as Jesus spoke of, in His Word. Jesus said the truth sets us free... meaning, speaking of, and presenting Himself as the only Truth. He said not to follow man or his ways, as they lead to sure destruction. I listen to Him, not finite man, who is not smarter nor wiser than God. This is why, Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man can come to my Father, but by Me." [/quote]

To consider something as truth one has to first know 1) what is truth and 2) has to believe in that truth 3) has to be convinced with that truth 4) has to get convinced about that truth because he believes in that truth and not because it is told to him by someone else who believes truth is something that person who believed to have told the truth is true.

So this belief in truth varies depending on what people believe. So what you mention as truth is still just a belief carried forwarded by someone else who believed that truth is that belief. Truth mentioned as truth here is purely subjective - subjective to preference of belief.

[quote]No one is selling faith. It's not for sale. [/quote]

Ideally it should not be. However when someone tells someone else to believe a subjective truth as detailed above is nothing but either faith on sale or a misleaded faith.

[quote] Who knows better than God, about what our future holds? [/quote]
I would say if we focus on our present rather than worrying about our future and keep doing the right things, we need not worry about our future. I has to be bright.
If we bring God into the equation, Possibly God may know better. Then we have few other unknowns to take care of based on our satisfaction. God in general or customized for each religions (Christianity, Islam,...)

[quote]It only makes sense to prepare for what's ahead. No gloom and doom[/quote]
I agree. If we focus on our present we are better prepared for the future.

[quote]there's no reason anyone has to miss heaven. Jesus said so. He said salvation is a free gift, just for the asking. [/quote]
That's good news. Perception of heaven varies for people to people. 1)For some it is a physical location far away from earth, 2)for some it's abundance of love and lasting joy in their hearts. Whatever is the perception, it is a positive sign.
Free gift with terms and conditions applied is pretty confusing for people in category 2). Either way for those who belong to 1) it's a relief provided they believe in resurrection. I am not sure about those in 1) who do not believe in ressurection( time being we can take that out of equation to make it simpler)
So no issues either ways.

[quote]This world and the evil therein, helps [b]us[/b]see why we need Jesus. It is clear, we cannot save ourselves from the condemnation sin has brought on all, but that's not the end.[/quote]

We can't generalize us here. People in category 2) don't belive that. Only a subcategory of people in 1) believe that. So yes for them I respect their belief. However until proven the generalization doesn't hold true.

[quote]Without Jesus, man can't even find, or know how to get to heaven. Jesus sets the standard for salvation; not man, though man thinks so. [/quote]

Same argument holds true. We can't generalize us here. I respect your belief however I am sorry to say that everyone need not agree that it is the truth. In the same way you would find it difficult what I believe the truth is. So it is wise to say that it is a belief that you consider as truth, which many other do not consider as truth, be as per their own logic or as per the God whom they believe is true God and only God.

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A wise man plans ahead for his future, knowing full well, he must keep his appointment with death. He will not leave his own soul to chance. Jesus tells us exactly how to get to heaven in His Word, not leaving us to guess or to chance. That's one thing we want to get right, because we'll be spending forever in eternity, opposed to a short life here on Earth. Of course, not all will believe, but Jesus told his disciples to go out and tell the world about His saving grace, so none would miss heaven. What they decide to do with that knowledge is up to them, but Jesus told us that until we repent of our sins, those sins shall keep us separated from God and heaven.

God doesn't send people to hell. Sin does. It keeps us separated from God, until it is forgiven by Jesus. Jesus came to save us from the condemnation sin put on us. We either believe Him or we don't. Jesus said there's no in between. Man can go off and try to earn salvation and get to heaven by being good or trying to be good, on his own, but that's false security. Jesus said our own efforts won't work, when it comes to salvation, and only leads to a dead end, without Christ or heaven. Our salvation is not based on our performance. It is based on Jesus' work and atoning blood, that paid for our sins on the cross. If we'll accept Jesus as Savior, His loving sacrifice on our behalf, will pay for our sins. Jesus said it. That's why it counts. He came to teach us that, so we would know and not have to guess how to get to heaven. No man-made religion or philosophy will rescue us, beyond the grave. But Jesus will. He said he will, and as God, he is incapable of lying. Jesus died to save the world, not condemn it. I see no other gods in this world offering the same. No other gods who sacrificed their life and paid for our sins, so we can live in heaven when we die. If so, please tell us who. Who cared about us and loved us that much, that they were willing to lose their own life, so we might be saved? Jesus not only said He loves us...He proved it.
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I generally do not wish to touch upon any specific religion or God. I see here you are fully focusing on Christianity religion and holy book followed by Christians and Jesus, God as per Christian religion. So let us analyze with respect to Christian religion and Jesus, keeping Jesus as the central figure.

All the above mentioned points in quotes are beliefs followed by a specific religion-Christianity. And Christians consider these beliefs to be true. Everyone should respect that belief as a religious belief of Christians. No one should have any problems with Christians considering them as truth. However to take that truth from within the religious boundary of Christianity and applying it globally is not right. That particularly is not respectable for to be religions that also have a mention about Jesus.
For example Islam doesn't believe in resurrection of Jesus Christ. Ahmaddia Islam believes Jesus escaped crucifixion, migrated eastward , had a normal family life had a natural death. It is said to be written in their holy books.
Some of the records account of Jesus spending his years between 13 to 29 in India. He was said to be a disciple of Indian sages, gained his spiritual education and returned to his homeland.
Now Jews have a different story to tell about Jesus. We can't claim any one specific account to be true over others. Everyone claims to have their own eye witnesses.

Considering all these and being respectful to all the traditions we should limit religious truth in the respective religious boundaries. Be it Christianity, Islam, Buddhism,Judaism, Jainism, Hinduism...( Sorry the list is long )

So claiming a religious truth as universal truth has its implications and it has a potential to do harm to humanity. Reverse also is true. We can't say Jesus survived crucifixion as the universal truth because it nullify the base of whole Christian religion. All religions has aspects that they feel true however not acceptable to others, henceforth it is disrespectful to cross religious boundaries in the name of religious beliefs that they consider as truth.

So let us not declare Universal Truth as one followed by Hinduism, Islam, Christianity...instead let's value humanity and embrace every culture, every tradition, every nation, every race and celebrate the value of love.
The love that connects heart without the fear of an eternal hell. The love that values people's opinion and respect their beliefs irrespective of their faith irrespective of whom they consider as true God.

Ultimately it doesn't matter, which God we believe, all it matters is our love and compassion for one another. Let us make the most of our lifetime and do good things in life and help each other in times of need and what they need.

I believe Jesus is the only God and I took pride in spreading the word of God. So I used to tell people their belief is wrong as there is no middle ground. Thanks Kamala, you made me realize I am wrong. We should never judge the belief of others. Their faith is imp to them.

@SW-User

[quote]I believe Jesus is the only God and I took pride in spreading the word of God. So I used to tell people their belief is wrong as there is no middle ground. Thanks Kamala, you made me realize I am wrong. We should never judge the belief of others. Their faith is up to them.[/quote]

So it matters more to you what people who admit they don't believe in God, say and think, over God? People make accusations at Christians all the time. Like, we're pushing our beliefs, judgemental, we're telling people their beliefs are wrong, and we're right, that we're saved, and everyone else is going to hell. No such thing is true. And they are the ones wrongly judging, then bash all Christians. You [i]should[/i] be happy about the privilege of spreading the good news of Jesus, instead of allowing those who fully admit they do not believe in God, and therefore are not knowledgeable about the spirit world, God's Word, and all involved, to make you feel guilty or lead you astray. Regardless, they cannot make that determination, if they do not even know God, or what salvation is all about, by their own admittance. It is nothing less than bullying Christians. Jesus told his followers to spread the good news of salvation, since His mission was finished on earth and He resurrected. True Christians do not claim we're better or smarter than anyone else, nor have we pushed our beliefs. Others just don't like it because they don't believe in God, so they belittle and call our beliefs stupid and manipulive. That's fine, but if you believe in God, you know he said to tell the world about Him, of which I am not ashamed of Him. That is what God called his followers to do, since he's not here in the flesh anymore, but in the spirit. If others disagree, that's ok, too, and I know exactly how they will respond. Ever notice? Some scream that we're "pushing our beliefs". Then they do the same, calling ours wrong. Others on here voice their opinions and beliefs on here, yet let God's followers do it and we're "pushing" our beliefs. If we cannot state our own beliefs about ANY SUBJECT, without being accused of pushing them on people here (and how many here tell others they are WRONG without it even being about Christianity??), then none of us should open our mouths and discuss anything. So absurd. And [b]we're[/b] called stupid and disturbing. 😂 🤦‍♀️ Whatever. The only "harm" they talk about is NOT in telling others of Jesus, but in NOT telling others about Jesus and they miss heaven. If you're a follower of God and believe in Him, you'll know that.

Do you believe Jesus told mankind the truth or not? Then don't turn away from God or God's truths, when you know them. And just because we know His truths, is not to be misconstrued by others as our thinking we feel superior or more fortunate, or more intelligent, or highly favored than others. That is a tactic that is purely false. Did Jesus say there's no middle ground? Yes! HE did. HE sets the standard for salvation, not man. You either believe it or you don't. [b]Jesus[/b] said there's no in between. Not man. Doing what Jesus commissioned his followers to do, is [u]not[/u] judging the beliefs of others. Jesus said to let others know about Him and how HE said we can have eternal life in heaven. The rest is up to them, whether they wish to believe what He said, or not. JESUS said, what we believe IS important, because HE said, [b]our[/b] decision, not HIS, determines where we spend eternity and that's something some have misunderstood and claim Jesus/God wants to send everyone to hell. Something they assume, but is farthest from the truth. And so they argue, "How do you know the truth? No one does." Well, God set the standard for universal salvation. NOT MAN. He never left us to guess how to have salvation and eternal life in heaven. He gave us His Word. HE said we don't need 50 million gods. We need one. Others can claim all they want, to be the only true living God, but HE said those are false gods and idols. We can follow their claims, but see how they hold up. Satan lies and tells us there's many ways and paths to God. Oh yes, but JESUS said there's only One God, one way, one path, and one truth. One way to heaven, for all. He didn't leave us to guess. HE said, good works and karma won't get you to heaven. Yet, man goes his own ways, ignoring our infinitely smarter God, then blames God, for their going to hell. God never sends anyone to hell. But they don't understand that or why, so they criticize God and His followers. They don't realize that Jesus' whole mission in coming to earth, was to SAVE people from going to hell, not condemn them. They miss much crucial information God gave us in His Word. That's why the confusion. They put God in a box of their own making and manipulation. God is not the author of confusion. Satan is. Contrary to belief, salvation has [u]nothing[/u] to do with religions of the world. Jesus said so. There are many people throughout the world in different denominations that shall be saved...but by God's standard, not mans. The name of the church matters not, nor how often they attend, nor tithe, nor do good. [b]Jesus[/b] sets the standard for what is "good" and He said in the spiritual world, our "goodness" is likened unto filthy rags...all of us. Not some. That's not because we are bad, but because we cannot possibly meet the high standards of the spiritual world that must be met, like Jesus does. However, we can still be saved.

The only perfect person is God and he does not expect us to be perfect. That means, in order for one to enter heaven, he must have no sin on him to enter it. He must be pure and Holy. If any sin enters Holy Heaven of Almighty God, then it would not be heaven. We all have sin, so we do not, and cannot meet that standard, [u]until[/u] we ask Jesus to forgive us of our sins, which He does, and remembers them no more. Then we can enter heaven, being forgiven and washed clean by the atoning blood of Jesus. God set the universal standard to receive salvation, for all. We [b]already[/b] are separated from God by our sins. LEFT that way, leaving our souls without salvation and the saving grace of Jesus, we leave ourselves open to miss heaven. None need miss it. Jesus wants no one to miss it. He has handed us the offer of free salvation. He's not going to force us to receive it, but if a person's wish is to pass on a free ticket to heaven, ignore His loving sacrifice and death to free us from the consequences sin brings us all, then we've made our choice. He wants nothing more, than to save all, but if a person wants nothing to do with His offer, they've sealed their own fate, not Jesus. WITHOUT HIM, we never would have had that opportunity. We would all have gone to hell. How do we like that alternative? So I am very grateful Jesus cared enough and loved us enough, to provide this means of escape, and not one of us would have known about it, if He had not left us His Word, or people to spread His good Word of salvation. No other God provides it. No other God died for our sins and covered them with His blood. Not in all history. Jesus said other gods and idols are man-made. They cannot see you, hear you, or speak to you. Jesus hears, speaks to our hearts and made Himself known to us through our God-conscious mind, feelings, sight, many miracles around the world, lives and hearts transformed in a way only He can do, through His Holy Spirit. Our thoughts are not God's thoughts. His thoughts and ways are supernatural and miraculous, not to be measured or judged by the likes of man or his flawed reasoning. Man may think he knows better than God, but only God has the answers to the puzzle of life and holds the key to salvation. HE said we must not ignore His plan of salvation, so that's why He told us exactly how to have eternal life, so we wouldn't be given to fantasy, foolishness, foolish imagination, or our own mistaken rules. He said, "There's a way that SEEMS right unto man, but the end thereof, leads to their death." Not even ONE of us can claim we are smarter than God, so we need to go to, and know, what God says in His Word, about how to be saved. He came to save the [u]world[/u], not just some. Those other gods died. No say-so. No power. No resurrection. But over 500 witnesses saw Jesus come back from the grave and resurrect. That wasn't by accident or delusional thinking, as some would try to sell you. No other gods came to save us. It's [b]not[/b] about religion. Religion saves no one. JESUS said so. But He does. It's about our relationship with Jesus that counts. We all have one appointment with death, and you get to choose your destination. That's why it matters what you believe. If you don't believe that, that's up to you. Just saying. NOT "indoctrinated", by the way, as some assume. NOT more righteous than anyone else. Jesus says who is called righteous... no one else. And Jesus came to tell us that not all paths and ways, lead to Christ. He said, only one path leads to God...through Jesus Christ. There's only One Mediator that Father God approved of for mediation between God and man, and that was Jesus Christ. You don't need any more "proof". Jesus already gave us plenty, and was still denied by many. Miracles before they're very eyes. In the spiritual realm, you need faith and trust, since He ascended into heaven, at His resurrection.

@SW-User It is about freedom of speech and expression and you don't have a right to set regulations or boundaries on that, nor determine over God, what constitutes a miracle.

@LadyGrace
[quote]So it matters more to you what people who admit they don't believe in God, say and think, over God? People make accusations at Christians all the time. Like, we're pushing our beliefs, judgemental, we're telling people their beliefs are wrong, and we're right, that we're saved, and everyone else is going to hell. [/quote]

She never said that she don't believe in God. I feel she believes in God more than we do. She need not flash a certificate for believing in God. God's grace is evident from the way she communicates. Our value should not be shown to others by abusing them or their belief.

We make ourselves feel embarrassed by disrespecting others. I have told many people that the God whom they worship is wrong. I didn't realise how much sinful an act it is. I sincerely regret about it now. Aren't we pushing our beliefs?

Let us focus on God with right spirt. Let us not focus on Satan. It seems the men who wrote Bible created this character inorder to cover up their own satanic acts. The way Christians go about manipulating others is nothing but satanic acts itself. I am sorry, I do not wish to be a follower of Satan. I wish to follow Jesus. Let us built Christianity that is inclusive, where every culture, faith, God is respected. Let us not be Christian extremists.

@SW-User In an answer to me, yes, she did tell me that she doesn't believe in God. And I'm not flashing any certificates, thank you. I'm not ashamed of God or my beliefs, and I follow God, not man...and no one has the right to tell me what I should say, post, or believe, which is what she has done through her messages to me AND putting Christian's down to others here in plain sight.

[quote]God's grace is evident from the way she communicates. Our value should not be shown to others by abusing them or their belief.[/quote]

You have that right. She shouldn't, but blatantly, is. Tearing down believers left and right. All you have to do is read her comments and you'll see it. That's hardly loving. Even calling my beliefs stupidity, of course, in a subtle manner, then follows it with being loving. And came the accusation that we push fear of eternal hell, of manipulation, force, which couldn't be further from the truth. But that's not what God said, that's all that matters.

When I spoke to you, I was referring to believers in general, not your saying you abused some. I have not pushed my beliefs on others, nor abused them. People on here know that full well and told me they appreciate that I never do that. Jesus wouldn't have commissioned His disciples to tell the good news, if doing so was abusive. 😳 But it's a different shoe, and "ok" to point out and accuse all believers, apparently. How hateful. SOME do abuse it, but that doesn't mean all do, so making fun of Christians and singling them out is just as abusive as what believers are accused of. She tells me and others what she thinks we should think and do and believe i.e. [So let us not declare Universal Truth as one followed by Hinduism, Islam, Christianity...instead let's value humanity and embrace every culture, every tradition, every nation, every race and celebrate the value of love.] How 'bout that for the pot calling the kettle black? In other words she is saying we shouldn't believe the way we do, in ONE GOD and ONE TRUTH. Yes.....let's DO value humanity, by telling everyone what they should believe as she just did, then wash it over with a love message. She also says "No one knows the actual truth." So I guess that officially makes that the truth and I could scream the same as she...."She's pushing her beliefs!!" So don't tell me that's ok and that's love. It's called FREEDOM OF SPEECH, and she doesn't have a corner on what's right or wrong, to set regulations or boundaries on that, nor determine over God, what constitutes salvation, his existence or miracles.

People on this website talk about THEIR beliefs all the time and they're not accused of pushing them just because others don't agree. But let Christians do it and they're all over them, but they are doing the same thing in bashing believers. Talk about hypocritical. Jesus told His followers to tell others, since he no longer walks amongst us, so they would hear the good news of salvation, because he said what we believe DOES matter and he wanted to make sure none miss heaven and wouldn't have to guess about it, nor leave us in the dark about it. That is exactly what we do. We don't force anything. We give the information, then leave it there. People here tell their beliefs on different things and share information all time. If people want to receive it or not, is strictly up to them. Not one thing is forced on anyone. No harm at all, no one forcing anyone to believe it, so don't twist that and make it unloving and forceful, because Jesus would disagree with that. It is what He, himself, did. Loving people enough to share Jesus with them about His glorious hope of heaven and seeing loved ones, where there's no more tears, sorrow, or pain, hatred, or disease. That is a loving, caring thing to do. And nothing about it says we think we're superior just because we do it. That's the devil twisting it around. Nothing UNloving about it. No one says you've GOT to believe us. That's nonsense. If they choose not to believe, that's up to them, no problem. But Jesus said at least tell them I love them and came to offer them heaven. He wants us with Him. Telling anyone about ANYTHING or any subject, is definitely not forcing. It's only sharing. No one's saying they have to believe our way. It's a choice.

@SW-User Gloria, i think you are heading wrong direction. I don't want to amend your way until you want it yourself as it is our own understanding that matters. But here, You yourself are contradicting alot of facts.

If Bible is written to hide satanic acts then why would you want to follow Jesus Christ?

I tell you my own story hardcore non believer but Right now, i love Jesus Christ more than anyone else.

What i have understood from the Bible new testament which i have studied so far is LOVE and LOVE and more LOVE.

@JonathanSJ [quote]If Bible is written to hide satanic acts then why would you want to follow Jesus Christ?[/quote]

Your wording and meaning make no sense. I think you better reword or rephrase that. It's not understandable.

@JonathanSJ I am saying from the moral point of view. We Christians do tell others that they believe in the God whom they believe because of the influence of Satan. @LadyGrace herself mentioned that in her reply. This is not fair at all.
I strongly believe Jesus would not encourage this behaviour. Where as I find Lady Grace being totally disrespectful to Kamala even though she didn't have any logical response to her. Grace was just beating the bush where as Kamala was giving clear explanations and her stand was morally correct. Never did she spoke disrespectfully about our God. What she have is that crystal clear answers. I saw grace dumping lot of routine verses from Bible and just keep circimg around. I would have been happy if she could logically answer even a single point of Kamala's argument. You people think that by abusing others God we are glorifying Jesus. That's foolishness. What we are giving a message is how pathetic, mean , selfish and dictator person is Jesus. Can't you people be sane atleast. You are not doing anything great for Jesus. Instead Lady Grace's responses were not only humiliating Jesus but also the entire humanity. Please check the entire conversations between them. Who was respectful yet logical. If Lady Grace want to show other Gods and religions down its her wish but we true Christians won't appreciate dragging Jesus's name in that and for that for God's sake don't keep dumping quotes from the Bible. It is insulting for both Jesus and Bible. Abusing others is not the way one need to show his or her faith in God. They are insulting God instead.

Enough is enough. I do not want to blame Lady Grace alone. I was doing it as well. Few months back I downplayed the God whom few Hindu friends believed. Still they were respectful to our God and Bible. And we mock their Gods, their beliefs, their scriptures. We need to learn a lot from these Hindus friends. Their God teaches them to respect all faiths and God. And yes we.... We think we gain upper hand by mocking their God. In fact we are letting down the very Jesus, whom we love. I feel so bad about it.

What Kamala told was right. We should stay within our religious boundaries. To establish our God is superior, we shouldn't say the God whom other person worship is wrong.

After pushing again and again with the same taunts that only Jesus is God and other Gods are false she gave the below reply and Grace considers that against freedom of expression. And she has the right to abuse the God whom other people believe.

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I generally do not wish to touch upon any specific religion or God. I see here you are fully focusing on Christianity religion and holy book followed by Christians and Jesus, God as per Christian religion. So let us analyze with respect to Christian religion and Jesus, keeping Jesus as the central figure.

All the above mentioned points in quotes are beliefs followed by a specific religion-Christianity. And Christians consider these beliefs to be true. Everyone should respect that belief as a religious belief of Christians. No one should have any problems with Christians considering them as truth. However to take that truth from within the religious boundary of Christianity and applying it globally is not right. That particularly is not respectable for to be religions that also have a mention about Jesus.
For example Islam doesn't believe in resurrection of Jesus Christ. Ahmaddia Islam believes Jesus escaped crucifixion, migrated eastward , had a normal family life had a natural death. It is said to be written in their holy books.
Some of the records account of Jesus spending his years between 13 to 29 in India. He was said to be a disciple of Indian sages, gained his spiritual education and returned to his homeland.
Now Jews have a different story to tell about Jesus. We can't claim any one specific account to be true over others. Everyone claims to have their own eye witnesses.

Considering all these and being respectful to all the traditions we should limit religious truth in the respective religious boundaries. Be it Christianity, Islam, Buddhism,Judaism, Jainism, Hinduism...( Sorry the list is long )

So claiming a religious truth as universal truth has its implications and it has a potential to do harm to humanity. Reverse also is true. We can't say Jesus survived crucifixion as the universal truth because it nullify the base of whole Christian religion. All religions has aspects that they feel true however not acceptable to others, henceforth it is disrespectful to cross religious boundaries in the name of religious beliefs that they consider as truth.

So let us not declare Universal Truth as one followed by Hinduism, Islam, Christianity...instead let's value humanity and embrace every culture, every tradition, every nation, every race and celebrate the value of love.
The love that connects heart without the fear of an eternal hell. The love that values people's opinion and respect their beliefs irrespective of their faith irrespective of whom they consider as true God.

Ultimately it doesn't matter, which God we believe, all it matters is our love and compassion for one another. Let us make the most of our lifetime and do good things in life and help each other in times of need and what they need.[/quote]

Another classic example she gave is here..She is not telling the God she believes is right. She is telling that everyone's belief could be right. Thats highly respectful.

[quote] How do we know that there is only one belief and not multiple beliefs. How do we know that only one belief among them is true and others are false? Let's us try answering these questions using a small story.

In this story, an elephant walked into a village where everyone was blind. The villagers were fascinated by the strange creature. One villager touched the elephant’s leg and said the elephant was like a tree. Another touched its ear and said the elephant was like a fan. A third touched its trunk and said the elephant was like a snake, and so on. Soon arguments began to break out. All the villagers had felt different parts of the elephant and discovered a piece of the truth about this amazing animal. But because they were blind, they couldn’t see the whole elephant, so they didn’t see how all these different truths could fit together. In the same way, people claim that different religions hold pieces of the truth about God, but no one religion holds it all. For this reason, people say we shouldn’t argue about which religion is right. We should just learn from each religion, because between all of us, we might just get the whole truth about God.[/quote]
No logical reply was given. Instead blaming them, playing victim after abusing them, being dishonest about what they say... Please grow up!

@LadyGrace
[quote] It is about freedom of speech and expression and you don't have a right to set regulations or boundaries on that, nor determine over God, what constitutes a miracle.[/quote]
Sorry Grace, Freedom of speech doesn't mean that you tell others their faith is wrong and feel bad when some body factfully shows you the different possibilities. That is abusing the freedom of speech and expression. Freedom of expression is not one way. If you think no one has the right to have an opinion about what constitute a miracle, then who gives you the right tell others that God doesn't exist ?

And who told you I don't believe in God? Please don't manipulate things. Sorry to say, I find you extremely dishonest and manipulative. The fact that I don't follow Jesus doesn't mean I don't believe in God. To simply put it I do believe in God and he is not Jesus. I respect him however I am from our from a different culture who consides God other than Jesus.

As I told you I appreciate conversations within a respectable boundary. Since I feel you are crossing the lits and trying to run your propaganda I do not wish to have further discussions with you. Please stay away. Either way you do not have anything logical to be add to be the conversation.

@SW-User Thank you Gloria. Yes we have to make every one feel inclusive. There is no point in arguing I am right, you are wrong. We all should practice our own respective faiths and give respect to the faiths of others. I am glad that you are one of them.