John 9:31 "We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will". [Spirituality & Religion]

@jackieash [quote]How do "sinners" receive "forgiveness" if their "god" won't listen to them? [/quote]

God does listen to sinners who want to sin no more. They become righteous once they make that decision.

@GodSpeed63 So your god thing threatens them until they give in to such threats and agree to do as they’re told.

Mafia-boss tactics.

Your god thing is just a narcissistic, violent, bully

@newjaninev2 Don't be like that sister. God doesn't force anything on anybody. I've been a Christian since my teenage years but never really surrendered my life to Him till He did something really big for me. I just couldn't shake how awesome God is, I just had to spend more time with Him [b]willingly.[/b] God doesn't force anything on anybody, that's the devil's strategy.

@Lichocolati Your god merely says that unless I do as it wants, all sorts of terrible things will befall me... and that it will make those things happen.

It makes me an offer I can refuse... in which case I’ll suffer at its hands.

So yes, I’ll spit in its face and point out that it’s a narcissistic, violent, bully.

So yes, I’ll be like that

@newjaninev2 When you choose God you automatically get fenced with His protection and He begins the process of refining everything about your and only when you allow Him. He only does what you allow. If you don't choose God He let's the god of this world the devil to have His way with you. How is that bullying?

@Lichocolati it offers to protect me against what it does?

Isn’t that called a protection racket?

@Lichocolati It does not alter the [b]indisputable [/c][/c][/b]fact that no-one has ever "co me back from heaven" to any living person to say what this "paradise" is supposed to be like

@GodSpeed63 And what about "sinners" who commit further "sins" despite saying they wouldn't? What would your "god" do then? Send them back to the similarly imaginary "pit of fire"? In that case it is spiteful and driven by rervenge. Breaking its own rules.

@jackieash if you don't choose God then you automatically become a child of the devil. The devil unlike God wants the worst for his kids. He feeds them with all the lies about the none existence of hell because he wants them to end up stuck there with him when they die.

@Lichocolati [quote]you automatically become a child of the devil[/quote]

Why?

That’s just schoolyard silliness.
If I don’t join your gang then I have to join the other gang?
Here’s an idea - how about I just don’t join [i]any[/i] gang?
How about I actually think for myself, take responsibility for myself, and tell all and any gang bosses that their threats leave me unmoved.
Then what happens?

@newjaninev2 Being emotional won't make a difference my dear. This is beyond your thoughts and abilities. It is what it is. If you don't choose God then you know the devil will bulldoze his way into your life and cause pain any way possible. That is his style. He'll give you problems and you'll be forced to live with them till you breathe your last only for you to end up in hell. But my God would use the chaos the devil caused and turn it into good, God makes a way out of any situation no matter how bad it is. I'm a living testimony of the work of God. My cup overflows☺.

@newjaninev2 [quote]If I don’t join your gang then I have to join the other gang?[/quote]

Let me put it this way, the devil already has you in his prison since you've become the age of accountability. All God wants to do is free you from that prison.

@GodSpeed63 There is no "prison" of the "devil" just as there is no "heaven" of "god". I knOw you're goping to say "prove it". Well, no-one has ever returned to earth from either to tell the living what it is like.

@jackieash [quote] I know you're going to say "prove it". [/quote]
It's for the one making the positive claim, in this case Godspeed, to prove it. It's not for the one who who doubts his unsupported claim to prove him wrong. Bertrand Russell demonstrated that with his teapot analogy.

@Lichocolati [quote]If you don't choose God...[/quote]

So you cannot (or will not) answer my question

If I don’t join your gang then I have to join the other gang... is that what you’re saying?

Oops, I didn’t mean to ask another question... I realise that creationists don’t answer questions

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Let me put this way[/quote]

So you cannot (or will not) answer my question

If I don’t join your gang then I’m automatically part of the other gang... is that what you’re saying?

Oops, I didn’t mean to ask another question... I realise that creationists don’t answer questions

If I don’t join your gang then I have to join the other gang... is that what you’re saying?

Oops, I didn’t mean to ask another question... I realise that creationists don’t answer questions

@jackieash [quote]Well, no-one has ever returned to earth from either to tell the living what it is like.[/quote]

They sure have.

@newjaninev2 [quote]Well, no-one has ever returned to earth from either to tell the living what it is like.[/quote]

What's that got to do with you in prison?

[quote]If I don’t join your gang then I’m automatically part of the other gang... is that what you’re saying?[/quote]

What gang would that be?

[quote]Oops, I didn’t mean to ask another question... I realise that creationists don’t answer questions[/quote]

It's got to be memory loss since you can't remember our conversations, Newjaninev.

[quote]If I don’t join your gang then I have to join the other gang... is that what you’re saying? Oops, I didn’t mean to ask another question... I realise that creationists don’t answer questions[/quote]

Repeating yourself, I see, indicating that you're near the edge of insanity.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]you can't remember our conversations[/quote]

We have never had a conversation.

You make unsupported claims

I question those claims

You run away

That’s as far as it has ever gone.

This time will be no different

@GodSpeed63 No they have not. End of.

@jackieash [b][c=#BF0000]If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. Matt:10:9
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@Carazaa Saved from what he will otherwise do to me, I assume

Mafia tactics... a simple protection racket

@newjaninev2 [quote]Saved from what he will otherwise do to me, I assume[/quote]

No, save you from what you're doing to yourself, Newjaninev.

@GodSpeed63 What I’m doing is just fine, and I don’t need some stand-over bully trying to impose its own judgements on me using its own criteria, just so it can make me do whatever it wants me to do.

I certainly don’t respond well to the threats it keeps making,

Tell it that I can, and will, think for myself... that always makes it go away in a confused huff.