WILL SCIENCE DISPROVE GOD? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Emosaur Right! But you [i]can[/i] separate [i]Source[/i] from religion. Wherever this universe came from - however it started, has NOTHING to do with religion. Religion was assigned to what wasn't understood so people could make sense of what they didn't understand.

@Emosaur The "Abrahamic God," as you put it, has to do with anything [i]but[/i] religion. Anything thought of or recognized as the Source of how this universe and all it's components came about, is about energy and vibration. It has [i]nothing[/i] to do with a deity.

Religion is man-made, which includes some kind of deity who rules over all of creation and who has set down laws which must be followed in order to receive the promise of life after death.

There's [i]nothing[/i] in the teachings of Abraham which is about following any kind of rules or doctrine in order to receive eternal life. It's not religious, but something very pragmatic and natural.

There is no religion or judgement of any kind in "heaven." It's just a continuation of life outside of the physical body. The stories of near-death experiencers confirm this.

@Emosaur Okay. I'm not willing to debate it with you.

@Emosaur Meaning?

@Emosaur You're right. You win. Case closed.

@PhoenixPhail [quote] It's just a continuation of life outside of the physical body. The stories of near-death experiencers confirm this.[/quote]
The important thing to remember about [b]NEAR[/b]-death experiences (NDEs) is that the subject is never actually dead. Therefore such experiences tell us nothing about post-death. NDEs are really nothing more than dreams as the brain is shutting down.

@Sharon I respect your opinion, but I can't agree. There are experiences which happen outside of the physical body which are medically inexplicable.

@PhoenixPhail [quote]There are experiences which happen outside of the physical body which are medically inexplicable.[/quote]
Such as? That a serious question. I believe NDE's are explained by current knowledge so I'd be interested to hear of verified experience that cannot be explained.

@Sharon For example;

[youtube=https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JL1oDuvQR08&t=19s]

@PhoenixPhail I had to go to youtube to view it.

From that video -
[quote]We can't get him off the heart/lung machine so we'll have to pronounce him dead.[/quote]
I don't consider that a very good definition of brain death.

[quote](@4:50) No heartbeat, no blood pressure[/quote]
But brain activity was not monitored so is unknown.

[quote](@5:11) We saw some electrical activity[/quote]
Note he's referring to the heart. There is nothing to suggest that all brain activity ever ceased.

[quote](@6:30) Pretty soon he had a blood pressure of 80, and pretty soon a blood pressure of 100[/quote]
Is that systolic or diastolic?

[quote](@6:39) He recovered and had no neurological deficit(?)[/quote]
That suggests brain activity never ceased.

From about 7 minutes onward, Rudy tell how the patient was able to describe the operating theatre despite not having seen it while conscious.

That was an interesting interview but nothing he said supports the idea of "god", at best it suggests some type of sixth sense. It's a great pity that the comments section was flooded by evangelical christians with their "praise god" type comments. I get the feeling they were trying to drown out any constructive criticism.

Another thing to note about NDE's where people claim to have met "god" is that they all describe what their culture has taught them to see. It's also very strange that none (AFAIK) say they met Satan, despite christians claiming all us non-christians are destined for Hell.

@Sharon Sharon, you're a tough cookie. 😊 I have no problem with your beliefs, and I would certainly never try to change them.

I enjoy knowing what I know, and I'm looking forward to making my transition into the non-physical world. The sooner, the better.

You're great. ♥️

@Emosaur Perfect.

@PhoenixPhail [quote]I enjoy knowing what I know, and I'm looking forward to making my transition into the non-physical world. The sooner, the better.[/quote]
I must admit, Valhalla and Sto'Vo'Kor sound quite attractive. Not so keen on the christian heaven though, being surrounded some of the christians who post here would be like Hell or Gre'thor.

@Sharon Just for the record, I have no religion in my life, whatsoever.

@Emosaur Much as I disagree with @PhoenixPhail's views, at least he remains polite when discussing them with us. I have no problem with religious people [i]per se[/i], I just object to the way [b]some of them[/b] try to force their beliefs onto others or dishonestly present them as proven facts.

@Sharon Thank you.

I think people forcing their beliefs on others, whether those beliefs are of a religious nature or not, is a sign of their own insecurity.

@PhoenixPhail we really would benefit from not throwing the proverbial baby out with the bath water. I think these definitely a problem with anything scientific looking too much like anything religious. The roots are pretty similar for the most part I think.

@KuroNeko Possibly. Thanks for your interesting comment.