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The earth is young like the Bible tells us, not old. [Spirituality & Religion]

I listened to a Christian program this morning when they mentioned that scientists had the dating of some rocks off by millions of years and the rocks had actually formed very recently after a volcano. Carbon dating accuracy is called into question after major flaw discovery,



The Bible and the Young Age of the Earth


Creation or Evolution:



Why don't we hear of people challenging these dates?

It is a rare thing for someone to publicly dispute the alleged "millions of years" age of the earth. When someone does they are often attacked or accused of being ignorant.

We can use critical thinking skills to rule out a millions or billions of years date for the earth.



We can not look at current rates of rock formation, erosion, etc to determine the age of the earth because there may have been factors in the past that are not happening in the present. In fact the Bible tells us just that. A flood covered the entire earth this would alter, shift and mix up the entire face of the earth. This flood also altered the rate of sediments laid down, the formation of sedimentary rock and also the rate of erosion.

Something that may take many years to form today (the Grand Canyon for instance) could have formed quite quickly during the flood.

The Bible even predicted that in the "last days" there would be those who scoff at the bible, and claim that "all things continue as they were from the beginning" (II Peter 3:3). This seems to say that there would be a predominance of uniformitarianism thinking. Mountains form slowly today, so they assume that they must have formed slowly in the past. The Creation model tells us that mountains formed quickly as the result of the flood.

No matter how old the earth is, Evolution is impossible

Everything we know of Science (entropy etc..) tells us that even if the world was millions or even billions of years old, evolution would still be impossible (the chapter on mutations will explain this).(opens new window)

In the popular press we are led to believe that the antiquity of the earth is a proven fact. We are told that all Scientists believe the world is old, and that all of our dating methods confirm this.

The truth is, many well qualified Scientists, and lay people alike are well justified in their belief that the earth, and universe is quite young.

A secret they have learned is one that you may never have been told. It is this: Though a few assorted dating methods give the age of the earth in millions of years, there are far more that limit the age of the earth to a mere few thousand years.

- Why are we not told of these?
It is because they go against the politically correct notion of Evolution.


Evolutionists believe that the universe slowly began to form 20 billion years ago. They believe the earth is about 4.6 billion years old. (references)

While many Young Earth Creationists believe that the earth was Created instantaneously about 6 thousand years ago.

Both of these are belief systems. Neither one can be proven because no one was there to witness the event, and it can not be repeated. But we can examine the evidence and decide which one is more plausible.



The Rocks

There are many layers of rock all over the world. These rock are separated into layers one on top of the other in what is called "rock strata".


We can tell how old the earth is by looking at the strata?

The layers of rock on the bottom would have to have been laid down before the layers on top. But how long before? This is one area that Creationists and Evolutionists disagree on.

Evolutionists believe that each layer represents a period of time.. or an era. Some references.
1. "Field Studies in Catastrophic Geology" by Carl R. Froede Jr.

2. "Sea Floor Sediments and the Age of the Earth" by Dr. Larry Vardiman

3. "Studies in Flood Geology" by John Woodmorappe

There are also some excellent videos:

1. "Biblical Geology: Properly Understanding the Rocks" by Dr Tas Walker

2. "Geologic Evidences for Very Rapid Strata Deposition in the Grand Canyon (DVD)" by Dr Steven Austin

3. "The Geology Book" by Dr John D Morris




The Grand Canyon

If you look at the Grand Canyon you will see thousands of layers of sedimentary rock. The Creationist and the Evolutionist can both look at the same evidence but come to different conclusions.

The evolutionist who believes in an ancient earth will look at these layers of rock and determine that these layers formed slowly over millions of years.

The Creationist who believes the Bible looks at the same evidence but comes to a different conclusion as to how these layers were formed. The Creationist knows that these layers could not have formed over millions of years. As there is little or no erosion between the layers. This is consistent with all the layers being laid down at the same time (the flood).

The Creationist interpretation is that the Grand Canyon was formed as a result of the flood. The receding flood waters would cut through the soft sediments, leaving the canyon. These soft sediments later hardened into their present form.

The canyon may have formed while it was solidifying, as the waters receded (possibly very quickly) it would cut through these layers like butter. Some people claim that it took a little bit of water (the small river) a lot of time (millions of years) to form the canyon. But it could have been the opposite.

A lot of water (the flood) and a little bit of time.

For more information read:

1)"Grand Canyon: A Different View" Compiled by Tom Vail

2) "Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe" by Dr Steven Austin

Videos:

"The Grand Canyon Catastrophe: New Evidence of the Genesis Flood" by Keziah & American Portrait Films

"The Grand Canyon: Monument to the Flood" (VHS)

"Mount St. Helens: Explosive Evidence for Catastrophe" (VHS) Dr Steve Austin

"The Grand Canyon: A Biblical View by Dr. Andrew A. Snelling

"Geologic Evidences for Very Rapid Strata Deposition in the Grand Canyon (DVD)" by Dr Steven Austin


Polystrate fossils

There are many fossils that go through several layers of rock, these are called polystrate fossils (the name polystrate means "many strata", pg 101 "The Young Earth" by John D. Morris, Ph.D.).
Polystrate fossils are a problem for those who believe rock layers take millions of years to form. Look at the picture at the right for example. If each of these layers of rock formed over millions of years, then why are there trees standing straight up through several different layers?

A tree would have died, fallen over and rotted in just a short time. It is clear that the layers were laid down and hardened in a short period of time


Here is one little example and I'll post those volcano rock mistakes they made too shortly.
by Colm Gorey

6 JUN 2018

Here is a Another article

Though one of the most essential tools for determining an ancient object’s age, carbon dating might not be as accurate as we once thought.

When news is announced on the discovery of an archaeological find, we often hear about how the age of the sample was determined using radiocarbon dating, otherwise simply known as carbon dating.

Deemed the gold standard of archaeology, the method was developed in the late 1940s and is based on the idea that radiocarbon (carbon 14) is being constantly created in the atmosphere by cosmic rays which then combine with atmospheric oxygen to form CO2, which is then incorporated into plants during photosynthesis.

When the plant or animal that consumed the foliage dies, it stops exchanging carbon with the environment and from there on in it is simply a case of measuring how much carbon 14 has been emitted, giving its age.

But new research conducted by Cornell University could be about to throw the field of archaeology on its head with the claim that there could be a number of inaccuracies in commonly accepted carbon dating standards.

If this is true, then many of our established historical timelines are thrown into question, potentially needing a re-write of the history books.

In a paper published to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the team led by archaeologist Stuart Manning identified variations in the carbon 14 cycle at certain periods of time throwing off timelines by as much as 20 years.

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The possible reason for this, the team believes, could be due to climatic conditions in our distant past.

Standards too simplified
This is because pre-modern carbon 14 chronologies rely on standardised northern and southern hemisphere calibration curves to determine specific dates and are based on the assumption that carbon 14 levels are similar and stable across both hemispheres.

However, atmospheric measurements from the last 50 years show varying carbon 14 levels throughout. Additionally, we know that plants typically grow at different times in different parts of the northern hemisphere.

To test this oversight, the researchers measured a series of carbon 14 ages in southern Jordan tree rings calculated as being from between 1610 and 1940.

Sure enough, it showed that plant material in the southern Levant showed an average carbon offset of about 19 years compared with the current northern hemisphere standard calibration curve.

“There has been much debate for several decades among scholars arguing for different chronologies sometimes only decades to a century apart, each with major historical implications. And yet these studies […] may all be inaccurate since they are using the wrong radiocarbon information,” Manning said.

“Our work should prompt a round of revisions and rethinking for the timeline of the archaeology and early history of the southern Levant through the early Biblical period.”



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Carbon dating accuracy is called into question after major flaw discovery,
Carbon dating isn't used to date rocks and scientists know (and admit) it's only good for up to about 20 000 years or so.
DMDawson · 70-79, F
@NortiusMaximus That and any carbon dating conducted after 1959 isnt 100 percent reliable because of pollution.
Carazaa · F
@NortiusMaximus Is carbon dating accurate?
Image: Mironmax Studio/Shutterstock. Though one of the most essential tools for determining an ancient object’s age, carbon dating might not be as accurate as we once thought. When news is announced on the discovery of an archaeological find, we often hear about how the age of the sample was determined using radiocarbon dating, ...
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@Carazaa That's a strawman. No reputable scientist ever claims carbon dating is perfect. That's why other methods are used to attempt to confirm results. The same is true of any scientific experiment. Didn't you say you hold two degrees in science? If so, I'm astounded you don't know that conclusions are not drawn from the result of just one experiment or measurement.
Carazaa · F
@NortiusMaximus Many people jump to conclusions and pick the conclusion that contradicts the Bible. God tells us in the Bible that we are in a spiritual war against good and evil, God and Satan. Satan is at work here to deceive people away from God. He doesn't want people to follow God or go to heaven. He is going to hell and he is trying to pull as many people as he can with him to upset God.

It really doesn't affect your spiritual walk if you are saved and believe in a old earth, but someone who is not saves and is believing the scientists that falsely proclaim the earth is old many don't have analytical thinking skills and then jump to conclusions thinking that the Bible must be wrong since God said he made the world in 6 morning, evenings literal 6 days and rested the 7th. He made Adam in a second to be around 20 years old, and the earth looks older than it is because of the curse. From when Adam sinned to Jesus is exactly 4000 years if he sinned at around the age of 20 years old and man was thrown out of the garden at the earths age of 20 plus 6 days (since Adam was created on the 6th day)

We know that because God told us the children of Adam to Jesus, in St Matthews Gospel and from Jesus to now is exactly 2000 years plus or minus 6 years. God says a thousand years is to God like a day. And I believe we are going into the 7th dead here of rest so Jesus is very likely coming any day to judge the living and the day to make a new heaven and a new earth. So its important that people aren't jumping to conclusions that the Bible is wrong when in actuality it is the word of God.
@Carazaa
Many people jump to conclusions and pick the conclusion that contradicts the Bible.
No doubt some people do, just as some believe everything written in the bible despite heaps of evidence proving it wrong.

God tells us...
Before making that claim, you first need to prove "god" exists. Without that proof everything you say it's done is meaningless.

So its important that people aren't jumping to conclusions that the Bible is wrong when in actuality it is the word of God.
Let's see some proof then. Despite everything you say, not one of you christian apologists has ever managed to present a single shred of evidence to back up what you say. All you do is repeatedly make baseless claims. The fact is, all the available evidence shows that the bible is wrong.
Carazaa · F
@NortiusMaximus
1. Jesus proved he is God when he rose Lazarus after he had been dead for 4 days and was rotting and stinking, he healed the lame, the blind, walked on water, and rose from the grave and went up in a cloud in front of 500 people who testified to it and put their lives at stake and were even killed for testifying what they saw.
2. God proved himself with all the prophesies coming true. Only God knows the future. Jesus said before he was killed that the Jews will in 70 yrs be disbursed all over the world and be persecuted in those countries and many would be killed and tortured and will in the last generation get their land back. God said to Syria that you Damascus will be a heap of rubble and your people will flee. So we see that Syrian people are refugees now all over Europe and even in the USA. There are about 7000 prophesies like this.
3. Jesus said in the last days generation there would be signs that we know it is the last generation
a. Increased pestilence all over
b. Mocking the Bible.
c. Increased false religions
d. Increase hatred and violence all over.
e. Jews getting their land back
f. Greater and greater earthquakes.
g. Increased terrors.
h. Increased knowledge.
i. the gospel reaching every nation and language.
j. Increase sinful behaviors.
k. increased people "going back and forth" like never before.
@Carazaa Just repeating baseless claims is pointless. All you're doing is making it clear you don't have any real evidence to present.

Odin proved He is a god by sacrificing Himself on the Yggdrasil Tree, going into the Earth for seven days and the resurrecting Himself. If you don't accept that's true, why should anyone accept what you say is?
Carazaa · F
@NortiusMaximus Are you kidding me, Jesus has proven he is God in the flesh, and Jesus said that some people love their sins more than God. Please don't be deceived because there is no happiness in sins. He says "The wages of sin is death" and you have a lot to gain if you trust in Jesus, answered prayers, and heaven too "If you ask anything in my name I will do it" Jesus says. And God promises to bless our kids for a thousand generations if we love him, and curse children for 3 to4 generations if we hate him. I want to make God happy, and I want my kids and their kids to be blessed.
@Carazaa
Are you kidding me,
No. Are you kidding me?

Jesus has proven he is God
I disagree. Odin has proven Himself a god.

Please don't be deceived
I fear it is your who has been deceived, as is evidenced by your belief in a false god.

I want my kids and their kids to be blessed.
Mine and theirs are - by Odin.
Carazaa · F
@NortiusMaximus Please be careful!
@Carazaa I'd advise you to be careful. You're playing with dangerous forces.
Carazaa · F
@NortiusMaximus I live for God, and helping people since I was born again. If I am wrong I have helped people my whole life and sacrifized my money and time, if you are wrong what then?
Carazaa · F
@NortiusMaximus Here is a man who has a math Masters from Oxford University and is a pastor and has about a hundred videos of the Bible on You-Tube and this one is about the age of the earth
@Carazaa As I said, you are putting yourself in serious danger by playing with forces you don't understand.

The propaganda videos, such as those you and other apologists post, are designed to deceive the gullible by appearing to be scientific. I can see that but obviously you don't.
Carazaa · F
@NortiusMaximus I don't trust any source but the Bible!
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Carazaa
has a math Masters from Oxford University

I have demonstrated to you before that Derek Walker does not hold a Masters degree from Oxford (or any other) University

You are showing the usual level of creationist sophistry and deception
Carazaa · F
@newjaninev2 Yes he does!
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Carazaa He does not.

Read the splurge on the webpage for his business, and you’ll notice that it goes to great lengths not to mention any actual qualifications from Oxford, or if he even graduated.

there’s a good reason for that
Carazaa · F
@newjaninev2 He is a Pastor now, and a humble man. He mentions it when he does some of his science videos. Here is a introduction on a website. But that's not as impressive as his knowledge of the Bible. He has hundreds of videos and books detailing science facts and proof of the Bible.


"Derek Walker earned his first-class degree in mathematics at Oxford University (MA) where he became a Christian and received a call to minister God’s Word. He is Senior Pastor of Oxford Bible Church, UK—a lively, growing international church he pioneered with his lovely wife, Hilary.'
Smashwords – About Derek Walker, author of 'Live Long and ...
www.smashwords.com/profile/view/WalkerDerek"
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Carazaa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_of_Arts_(Oxford%2C_Cambridge%2C_and_Dublin)


I draw your attention to:
“...it is an academic rank, and not a postgraduate qualification"

and I wonder how that somehow translates into a '1st-class' degree
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@newjaninev2
I wonder how that somehow translates into a '1st-class' degree

It's a miracle 🐣
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@newjaninev2 These people are just super inventive when it comes to academic titles. It's the oldest trick in the book. Here are two other outrageous examples of Christians and their inventive title use.

Meet Stephen H. Turley, that functions under the name "Dr. Steven Turley" online. He does political and social commentary. The man is a far-right wing fruitbasket of ideas. He loves traditionalism and Christianity. And if you don't like his ideas, you are the enemy. He publishes books about his favourite toppics under the name: Stephen R. Turley, PhD. But Steven, is actually a PhD in the classical arts department. So why put "PhD" on a book that has nothing to do with your field? Well... He's a hussler of course. A Hussler with a tremendous ego.



Another one of my favourites is Bill Warner, PhD. Bill can't open his mouth, make a youtube video or write a book without putting his PhD. degree in the middle of the attention. Bill Warners' favourite toppic is raving about muslims. He has delved deep into the muslim history and produced pamphlet after pamphlet after pamhlet about this toppic. But Bill Warner is a Physicist, his PhD. Has nothing to do with politics or history or muslisms. But he puts it on everything he trademarks annyway.

@Carazaa It's not possible to have an MA in mathematics.

An MA is a master of arts.

A Master of Mathematics (or MMath) degree is a specific integrated master's degree for courses in the field of mathematics.

Honours are awarded only for the fourth year of a bachelor's degree. A first or a high second degree is required as a prerequisite for entry to a master's course. However, at the top universities like Oxford only the highest firsts are accepted.