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The earth is young like the Bible tells us, not old. [Spirituality & Religion]

I listened to a Christian program this morning when they mentioned that scientists had the dating of some rocks off by millions of years and the rocks had actually formed very recently after a volcano. Carbon dating accuracy is called into question after major flaw discovery,



The Bible and the Young Age of the Earth


Creation or Evolution:



Why don't we hear of people challenging these dates?

It is a rare thing for someone to publicly dispute the alleged "millions of years" age of the earth. When someone does they are often attacked or accused of being ignorant.

We can use critical thinking skills to rule out a millions or billions of years date for the earth.



We can not look at current rates of rock formation, erosion, etc to determine the age of the earth because there may have been factors in the past that are not happening in the present. In fact the Bible tells us just that. A flood covered the entire earth this would alter, shift and mix up the entire face of the earth. This flood also altered the rate of sediments laid down, the formation of sedimentary rock and also the rate of erosion.

Something that may take many years to form today (the Grand Canyon for instance) could have formed quite quickly during the flood.

The Bible even predicted that in the "last days" there would be those who scoff at the bible, and claim that "all things continue as they were from the beginning" (II Peter 3:3). This seems to say that there would be a predominance of uniformitarianism thinking. Mountains form slowly today, so they assume that they must have formed slowly in the past. The Creation model tells us that mountains formed quickly as the result of the flood.

No matter how old the earth is, Evolution is impossible

Everything we know of Science (entropy etc..) tells us that even if the world was millions or even billions of years old, evolution would still be impossible (the chapter on mutations will explain this).(opens new window)

In the popular press we are led to believe that the antiquity of the earth is a proven fact. We are told that all Scientists believe the world is old, and that all of our dating methods confirm this.

The truth is, many well qualified Scientists, and lay people alike are well justified in their belief that the earth, and universe is quite young.

A secret they have learned is one that you may never have been told. It is this: Though a few assorted dating methods give the age of the earth in millions of years, there are far more that limit the age of the earth to a mere few thousand years.

- Why are we not told of these?
It is because they go against the politically correct notion of Evolution.


Evolutionists believe that the universe slowly began to form 20 billion years ago. They believe the earth is about 4.6 billion years old. (references)

While many Young Earth Creationists believe that the earth was Created instantaneously about 6 thousand years ago.

Both of these are belief systems. Neither one can be proven because no one was there to witness the event, and it can not be repeated. But we can examine the evidence and decide which one is more plausible.



The Rocks

There are many layers of rock all over the world. These rock are separated into layers one on top of the other in what is called "rock strata".


We can tell how old the earth is by looking at the strata?

The layers of rock on the bottom would have to have been laid down before the layers on top. But how long before? This is one area that Creationists and Evolutionists disagree on.

Evolutionists believe that each layer represents a period of time.. or an era. Some references.
1. "Field Studies in Catastrophic Geology" by Carl R. Froede Jr.

2. "Sea Floor Sediments and the Age of the Earth" by Dr. Larry Vardiman

3. "Studies in Flood Geology" by John Woodmorappe

There are also some excellent videos:

1. "Biblical Geology: Properly Understanding the Rocks" by Dr Tas Walker

2. "Geologic Evidences for Very Rapid Strata Deposition in the Grand Canyon (DVD)" by Dr Steven Austin

3. "The Geology Book" by Dr John D Morris




The Grand Canyon

If you look at the Grand Canyon you will see thousands of layers of sedimentary rock. The Creationist and the Evolutionist can both look at the same evidence but come to different conclusions.

The evolutionist who believes in an ancient earth will look at these layers of rock and determine that these layers formed slowly over millions of years.

The Creationist who believes the Bible looks at the same evidence but comes to a different conclusion as to how these layers were formed. The Creationist knows that these layers could not have formed over millions of years. As there is little or no erosion between the layers. This is consistent with all the layers being laid down at the same time (the flood).

The Creationist interpretation is that the Grand Canyon was formed as a result of the flood. The receding flood waters would cut through the soft sediments, leaving the canyon. These soft sediments later hardened into their present form.

The canyon may have formed while it was solidifying, as the waters receded (possibly very quickly) it would cut through these layers like butter. Some people claim that it took a little bit of water (the small river) a lot of time (millions of years) to form the canyon. But it could have been the opposite.

A lot of water (the flood) and a little bit of time.

For more information read:

1)"Grand Canyon: A Different View" Compiled by Tom Vail

2) "Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe" by Dr Steven Austin

Videos:

"The Grand Canyon Catastrophe: New Evidence of the Genesis Flood" by Keziah & American Portrait Films

"The Grand Canyon: Monument to the Flood" (VHS)

"Mount St. Helens: Explosive Evidence for Catastrophe" (VHS) Dr Steve Austin

"The Grand Canyon: A Biblical View by Dr. Andrew A. Snelling

"Geologic Evidences for Very Rapid Strata Deposition in the Grand Canyon (DVD)" by Dr Steven Austin


Polystrate fossils

There are many fossils that go through several layers of rock, these are called polystrate fossils (the name polystrate means "many strata", pg 101 "The Young Earth" by John D. Morris, Ph.D.).
Polystrate fossils are a problem for those who believe rock layers take millions of years to form. Look at the picture at the right for example. If each of these layers of rock formed over millions of years, then why are there trees standing straight up through several different layers?

A tree would have died, fallen over and rotted in just a short time. It is clear that the layers were laid down and hardened in a short period of time


Here is one little example and I'll post those volcano rock mistakes they made too shortly.
by Colm Gorey

6 JUN 2018

Here is a Another article

Though one of the most essential tools for determining an ancient object’s age, carbon dating might not be as accurate as we once thought.

When news is announced on the discovery of an archaeological find, we often hear about how the age of the sample was determined using radiocarbon dating, otherwise simply known as carbon dating.

Deemed the gold standard of archaeology, the method was developed in the late 1940s and is based on the idea that radiocarbon (carbon 14) is being constantly created in the atmosphere by cosmic rays which then combine with atmospheric oxygen to form CO2, which is then incorporated into plants during photosynthesis.

When the plant or animal that consumed the foliage dies, it stops exchanging carbon with the environment and from there on in it is simply a case of measuring how much carbon 14 has been emitted, giving its age.

But new research conducted by Cornell University could be about to throw the field of archaeology on its head with the claim that there could be a number of inaccuracies in commonly accepted carbon dating standards.

If this is true, then many of our established historical timelines are thrown into question, potentially needing a re-write of the history books.

In a paper published to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the team led by archaeologist Stuart Manning identified variations in the carbon 14 cycle at certain periods of time throwing off timelines by as much as 20 years.

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The possible reason for this, the team believes, could be due to climatic conditions in our distant past.

Standards too simplified
This is because pre-modern carbon 14 chronologies rely on standardised northern and southern hemisphere calibration curves to determine specific dates and are based on the assumption that carbon 14 levels are similar and stable across both hemispheres.

However, atmospheric measurements from the last 50 years show varying carbon 14 levels throughout. Additionally, we know that plants typically grow at different times in different parts of the northern hemisphere.

To test this oversight, the researchers measured a series of carbon 14 ages in southern Jordan tree rings calculated as being from between 1610 and 1940.

Sure enough, it showed that plant material in the southern Levant showed an average carbon offset of about 19 years compared with the current northern hemisphere standard calibration curve.

“There has been much debate for several decades among scholars arguing for different chronologies sometimes only decades to a century apart, each with major historical implications. And yet these studies […] may all be inaccurate since they are using the wrong radiocarbon information,” Manning said.

“Our work should prompt a round of revisions and rethinking for the timeline of the archaeology and early history of the southern Levant through the early Biblical period.”



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The bible never mentions how old the Earth is. Don't pretend it does.
DMDawson · 70-79, F
@Qwerty14 I should know. I grew up in a time where Catholicism was the rule. They never mentioned Earth's age, and its not as if I didn't ask.
Carazaa · F
@Qwerty14 Very true. But the Bible mentions all the children from Adam and Eve and that's just about exactly 6000 now since Adam sinned, maybe 10 more years at the most. We are going into the 7th day of rest. A thousand days are like a day to God.
@Carazaa But God created the Earth before he created Adam. Even if you believe Adam existed 6000 years ago, doesn't prove how old the Earth is
Carazaa · F
@Qwerty14 God made the earth the third day...
@Carazaa The word Yom can mean any unit of time so it's hard to judge just how long each one of them was. Could be billions of years between Yom Echad and Yom Shishi. Also the Heavens and the Earth were created in the beginning. I think you're confusing when God creates the land and sea with when he created the actual planet.
Carazaa · F
@Qwerty14 God is quite clear about the beginning when he says "and there was evening and morning the first day" etc.
@Carazaa God? You are aware he didn't write Genesis yeah? And again, the idea of Yom has many meanings. There's the sunlight itself which is called Yom. There's the 24 hour time period called Yom. There's the time of the day when there's daylight which is Yom. Etc. Translating Yom is not as easy as saying "oh it must be talking about 1 modern unit of time".
Carazaa · F
@Qwerty14 God told Godly men exactly what to write.
@Carazaa And you base this on what exactly?
Carazaa · F
@Qwerty14 From the Bible of course, he says so. And we know the Bible is true in everything for many reasons, here are a few..
1. Jesus proved he is God when he rose Lazarus after he had been dead for 4 days and was rotting and stinking, he healed the lame, the blind, walked on water, and rose from the grave and went up in a cloud in front of 500 people who testified to it and put their lives at stake and were even killed for testifying what they saw.
2. God proved himself with all the prophesies coming true. Only God knows the future. Jesus said before he was killed that the Jews will in 70 yrs be disbursed all over the world and be persecuted in those countries and many would be killed and tortured and will in the last generation get their land back. God said to Syria that you Damascus will be a heap of rubble and your people will flee. So we see that Syrian people are refugees now all over Europe and even in the USA. There are about 7000 prophesies like this.
3. Jesus said in the last days generation there would be signs that we know it is the last generation
a. Increased pestilence all over
b. Mocking the Bible.
c. Increased false religions
d. Increase hatred and violence all over.
e. Jews getting their land back
f. Greater and greater earthquakes.
g. Increased terrors.
h. Increased knowledge.
i. the gospel reaching every nation and language.
j. Increase sinful behaviors.
k. increased people "going back and forth" like never before.
@Carazaa Ok let's accept the notion that Jesus is truth. Happy to do that. What part of the bible are you basing the assumption that God told godly men about the age of the Earth? Those books were written before Jesus's time.
Carazaa · F
@Qwerty14

Jesus is the creator of everything that was created. John 1


1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

11 Then God said, “Let the land produce vegetation: seed-bearing plants and trees on the land that bear fruit with seed in it, according to their various kinds.” And it was so. 12 The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening, and there was morning—the third day.

14 And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. 16 God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day. Genesis 1
SW-User
@Qwerty14 what do you mean " BEFORE Jesus time?" Jesus alwsys existed before all of the times. God Father, God Son and the Holy Spirit always existed
Carazaa · F
@SW-User 🙏True🌷🙂
@SW-User I thought you didn't wanna talk to me on here? Feel free not to butt in thank you
@Carazaa So you have no evidence to show that God either wrote Genesis or dictated it to a godly man?
SW-User
@Qwerty14 have you checked yourself for ADD Seriously. Seems like some part of your brain either dead or turned off.
Carazaa · F
@Qwerty14 There are many verses but here is one that clearly tells us that God told them. Ill add verses in a moment.

"For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

19We also have the prophetic message as something completely reliable, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. 20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." 2 Peter 1
@SW-User First up, that isn't what ADD is or how it works. Secondly, all you do is insult. Can't you troll somewhere else?
Carazaa · F
@Qwerty14

Here are more verses about the Bible being Gods inspired word
Bible Verses about Bible as God's Inspired Revelation

2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


Psalm 12:6
The words of the LORD are pure words,
Like silver tried in a furnace of earth,
Purified seven times.


Proverbs 30:5
Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.


2 Peter 1:21
for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 5:17-18
"Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

John 10:35
If He called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be broken),

John 17:17
Sanctify them by Your truth. Your word is truth.

Isaiah 46:9-10
Remember the former things of old,
For I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like Me,
Declaring the end from the beginning,
And from ancient times things that are not yet done,
Saying, ‘My counsel shall stand,
And I will do all My pleasure,’
@Carazaa Again, nothing about Genesis or who wrote it. You understand that's all I'm asking for right?
Carazaa · F
@Qwerty14 Read those verses. "All scripture is inspired by God" it says. And Since the Bible prophesies have all come true I believe every word.
@Carazaa Inspired by God does not mean written by God. It actually means the exact opposite...
Carazaa · F
@Qwerty14 No please read all the verses that I copied to you again! And John 1 I'll copy that chapter too where it says that "In the beginning was the word, and the word was with god, and the word was God and dwelt among us.
@Carazaa Again... This doesn't say God wrote the books. Stop quoting random scripture and quote something that says "god wrote the book of genesis" or "he wrote down Genesis as dictated by God".

I can save you time... These quotes don't exist.