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The earth is young like the Bible tells us, not old. [Spirituality & Religion]

I listened to a Christian program this morning when they mentioned that scientists had the dating of some rocks off by millions of years and the rocks had actually formed very recently after a volcano. Carbon dating accuracy is called into question after major flaw discovery,



The Bible and the Young Age of the Earth


Creation or Evolution:



Why don't we hear of people challenging these dates?

It is a rare thing for someone to publicly dispute the alleged "millions of years" age of the earth. When someone does they are often attacked or accused of being ignorant.

We can use critical thinking skills to rule out a millions or billions of years date for the earth.



We can not look at current rates of rock formation, erosion, etc to determine the age of the earth because there may have been factors in the past that are not happening in the present. In fact the Bible tells us just that. A flood covered the entire earth this would alter, shift and mix up the entire face of the earth. This flood also altered the rate of sediments laid down, the formation of sedimentary rock and also the rate of erosion.

Something that may take many years to form today (the Grand Canyon for instance) could have formed quite quickly during the flood.

The Bible even predicted that in the "last days" there would be those who scoff at the bible, and claim that "all things continue as they were from the beginning" (II Peter 3:3). This seems to say that there would be a predominance of uniformitarianism thinking. Mountains form slowly today, so they assume that they must have formed slowly in the past. The Creation model tells us that mountains formed quickly as the result of the flood.

No matter how old the earth is, Evolution is impossible

Everything we know of Science (entropy etc..) tells us that even if the world was millions or even billions of years old, evolution would still be impossible (the chapter on mutations will explain this).(opens new window)

In the popular press we are led to believe that the antiquity of the earth is a proven fact. We are told that all Scientists believe the world is old, and that all of our dating methods confirm this.

The truth is, many well qualified Scientists, and lay people alike are well justified in their belief that the earth, and universe is quite young.

A secret they have learned is one that you may never have been told. It is this: Though a few assorted dating methods give the age of the earth in millions of years, there are far more that limit the age of the earth to a mere few thousand years.

- Why are we not told of these?
It is because they go against the politically correct notion of Evolution.


Evolutionists believe that the universe slowly began to form 20 billion years ago. They believe the earth is about 4.6 billion years old. (references)

While many Young Earth Creationists believe that the earth was Created instantaneously about 6 thousand years ago.

Both of these are belief systems. Neither one can be proven because no one was there to witness the event, and it can not be repeated. But we can examine the evidence and decide which one is more plausible.



The Rocks

There are many layers of rock all over the world. These rock are separated into layers one on top of the other in what is called "rock strata".


We can tell how old the earth is by looking at the strata?

The layers of rock on the bottom would have to have been laid down before the layers on top. But how long before? This is one area that Creationists and Evolutionists disagree on.

Evolutionists believe that each layer represents a period of time.. or an era. Some references.
1. "Field Studies in Catastrophic Geology" by Carl R. Froede Jr.

2. "Sea Floor Sediments and the Age of the Earth" by Dr. Larry Vardiman

3. "Studies in Flood Geology" by John Woodmorappe

There are also some excellent videos:

1. "Biblical Geology: Properly Understanding the Rocks" by Dr Tas Walker

2. "Geologic Evidences for Very Rapid Strata Deposition in the Grand Canyon (DVD)" by Dr Steven Austin

3. "The Geology Book" by Dr John D Morris




The Grand Canyon

If you look at the Grand Canyon you will see thousands of layers of sedimentary rock. The Creationist and the Evolutionist can both look at the same evidence but come to different conclusions.

The evolutionist who believes in an ancient earth will look at these layers of rock and determine that these layers formed slowly over millions of years.

The Creationist who believes the Bible looks at the same evidence but comes to a different conclusion as to how these layers were formed. The Creationist knows that these layers could not have formed over millions of years. As there is little or no erosion between the layers. This is consistent with all the layers being laid down at the same time (the flood).

The Creationist interpretation is that the Grand Canyon was formed as a result of the flood. The receding flood waters would cut through the soft sediments, leaving the canyon. These soft sediments later hardened into their present form.

The canyon may have formed while it was solidifying, as the waters receded (possibly very quickly) it would cut through these layers like butter. Some people claim that it took a little bit of water (the small river) a lot of time (millions of years) to form the canyon. But it could have been the opposite.

A lot of water (the flood) and a little bit of time.

For more information read:

1)"Grand Canyon: A Different View" Compiled by Tom Vail

2) "Grand Canyon: Monument to Catastrophe" by Dr Steven Austin

Videos:

"The Grand Canyon Catastrophe: New Evidence of the Genesis Flood" by Keziah & American Portrait Films

"The Grand Canyon: Monument to the Flood" (VHS)

"Mount St. Helens: Explosive Evidence for Catastrophe" (VHS) Dr Steve Austin

"The Grand Canyon: A Biblical View by Dr. Andrew A. Snelling

"Geologic Evidences for Very Rapid Strata Deposition in the Grand Canyon (DVD)" by Dr Steven Austin


Polystrate fossils

There are many fossils that go through several layers of rock, these are called polystrate fossils (the name polystrate means "many strata", pg 101 "The Young Earth" by John D. Morris, Ph.D.).
Polystrate fossils are a problem for those who believe rock layers take millions of years to form. Look at the picture at the right for example. If each of these layers of rock formed over millions of years, then why are there trees standing straight up through several different layers?

A tree would have died, fallen over and rotted in just a short time. It is clear that the layers were laid down and hardened in a short period of time


Here is one little example and I'll post those volcano rock mistakes they made too shortly.
by Colm Gorey

6 JUN 2018

Here is a Another article

Though one of the most essential tools for determining an ancient object’s age, carbon dating might not be as accurate as we once thought.

When news is announced on the discovery of an archaeological find, we often hear about how the age of the sample was determined using radiocarbon dating, otherwise simply known as carbon dating.

Deemed the gold standard of archaeology, the method was developed in the late 1940s and is based on the idea that radiocarbon (carbon 14) is being constantly created in the atmosphere by cosmic rays which then combine with atmospheric oxygen to form CO2, which is then incorporated into plants during photosynthesis.

When the plant or animal that consumed the foliage dies, it stops exchanging carbon with the environment and from there on in it is simply a case of measuring how much carbon 14 has been emitted, giving its age.

But new research conducted by Cornell University could be about to throw the field of archaeology on its head with the claim that there could be a number of inaccuracies in commonly accepted carbon dating standards.

If this is true, then many of our established historical timelines are thrown into question, potentially needing a re-write of the history books.

In a paper published to the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, the team led by archaeologist Stuart Manning identified variations in the carbon 14 cycle at certain periods of time throwing off timelines by as much as 20 years.

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The possible reason for this, the team believes, could be due to climatic conditions in our distant past.

Standards too simplified
This is because pre-modern carbon 14 chronologies rely on standardised northern and southern hemisphere calibration curves to determine specific dates and are based on the assumption that carbon 14 levels are similar and stable across both hemispheres.

However, atmospheric measurements from the last 50 years show varying carbon 14 levels throughout. Additionally, we know that plants typically grow at different times in different parts of the northern hemisphere.

To test this oversight, the researchers measured a series of carbon 14 ages in southern Jordan tree rings calculated as being from between 1610 and 1940.

Sure enough, it showed that plant material in the southern Levant showed an average carbon offset of about 19 years compared with the current northern hemisphere standard calibration curve.

“There has been much debate for several decades among scholars arguing for different chronologies sometimes only decades to a century apart, each with major historical implications. And yet these studies […] may all be inaccurate since they are using the wrong radiocarbon information,” Manning said.

“Our work should prompt a round of revisions and rethinking for the timeline of the archaeology and early history of the southern Levant through the early Biblical period.”



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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
It's more than just rocks, people have found the oldest human remains which is 300,000 years old.
Carazaa · F
@SatanBurger No they are wrong. Adam and Eve are 6000 old according to the Bible, and the dating is wrong.
dubkebab · 56-60, M
@Carazaa So the earth was repopulated enough by one family in time to build the sphinx and other ancient megalithic structures? That's some intense breeding.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Carazaa Or the idea that Adam and Eve never existed could be an option.

You mean to tell me that people who go to college for 10 years to get a field scientific career to specially date skeletal remains, even finding out what they last ate and the nature of their death is less informed than the bible and that the bible is more informed when they didn't even know what caused lightening and weather patterns back then????

There's a few ideas that are very plausible here, Adam and Eve didn't exist and was a build up of previous religions who have similar ideas (all older than Christianity by the way.)

Or it could be that maybe a God did create this world at one point but either has died since then or the creation story being much older than it appears.

Either one of those two ideas seem to fit logically, though it's more logical that Adam and Eve never existed and if they did, it would be older not younger if anything because it's entirely plausible that if we came from some other life form, it wouldn't be human but could be metaphorically adam and eve.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@dubkebab *Breeding intensifies*
dubkebab · 56-60, M
@SatanBurger mmmm,fruitful multiplication

Even when I was a kid,I was asking-where did all that water drain away to?
re:biblical flood...?
Carazaa · F
@SatanBurger There are many in those articles who have PHD's in geology, and other fields.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa And there have been many cases of creationists cherry picking, quote mining and generally lying when it comes to quoting research. Please question the sources and information.
Carazaa · F
@Bushranger The Bible is trustworthy and these men are trustworthy. If I may ask what's your level of education?
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Relevance? But if you ask, BA with majors in Psychology and Sociology, Masters in Criminology. Initially started university studying Applied Science, Agriculture, but transferred to humanities just before I completed my BAppSci. You?
Carazaa · F
@Bushranger I knew you were a criminologist, I figured that out last year. I have shared in detail my education with you already. The reason I ask is to know if you can think.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa You knew I had a background in Criminology and you want to know if I can think? I could ask you the same question, especially given your unerring belief in the Bible.
Carazaa · F
@Bushranger No I deduced that from your questions.
Carazaa · F
@Carazaa I think you are bright but you put down the Bible, which is not smart 🙂 I do regret blocking you and I am sorry, but you were getting on my nerve with your mocking the Bible.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa I'm not putting the Bible down. I'm saying that it should be looked at critically. If the evidence doesn't support the hypothesis, then that hypothesis needs to be changed or rejected. The evidence in the real world does not agree with the Bible.

But, and this is a big but, I have no problems with the Bible or God. I think the Bible is an excellent book and provides many lessons for people, even today. But there are things in it that need to be taken as allegory and not fact.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Carazaa You replied to yourself on your last response talking about blocking. But at any rate, I'm not making fun of the bible, poking holes in your theory isn't making fun of anything, it's meant for discussion. The fact is they've found human remains that are far older than the bible so either the bible is wrong or right but you just saying that it's right without any other evidence than cherry picking nonsense doesn't pass with me.
@Carazaa
have PHD's
It's rather telling that someone as educated as you claim to be doesn't know that it's "PhD" or "Ph.D." but definitely not "PHD".
Carazaa · F
@NortiusMaximus I'm not sure what you are talking about at all. You judge a person because of spelling errors? I am writing in a foreign language. English is my second language. Can you please write in Swedish answering hundreds of questions in an evening because you are trying to be polite to everyone who speaks Swedish, Please answer in Swedish.
Carazaa · F
@SatanBurger They are wrong about the bones age! There is NO WAY to know for sure of any age of any old material for certain.
@Carazaa
You judge a person because of spelling errors?
"PHD" är inte en stavfel. Det visar en okunnighet om innebörden
Carazaa · F
@SatanBurger They have found human remains that are not that old because they can't tell exactly how old they are.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Carazaa That logic makes no sense.
Carazaa · F
@NortiusMaximus

Examples of Radiometric Dating flaws

There has been great controversy over the age of the earth. Creationists believe in a young earth, while evolutionists believe in an old earth and one of their primary methods for determining the age of earth is radiometric dating. This method has been so convincing, that it has even persuaded many Christians into believing in an old earth. In this section, mistakes made while using method will be introduced.
How exactly does radiometric dating work?
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Certain kinds of atoms are unstable and will decay into other kinds of atoms. Uranium will radioactively decay through a series of steps into a stable element, lead.

Radiometric dating is usually used to date igneous rock (rocks which form when hot material cools and hardens). The radiometric clock starts when a rock cools. It is assumed that during this stage the extreme heat will force the daughter elements to escape. Once the rock cools, it is assumed that no more atoms will escape and any daughter element found will be the result of radioactive decay. The dating process requires measuring how much daughter elements are found and the decay rate. The decay rate is measured in terms of half-life.
Radiometric Dating Assumptions
There are many types of sciences, the two focused in radiometric dating are operational science and historical science. Operational science is a systematic approach to understanding that uses observable, testable, and repeatable experimentation to understand how nature commonly behaves. Historical science is interpreting evidence from past events based on a presupposed philosophical point of view.

Radiometric dating uses both of these types of science (measuring the amount of daughter element in the rock sample is an example of operational science, the conditions present when the rock formed can only be studied through historical science.)
Since radiometric dating uses both of these types of science, we can't directly measure the age of something. A combination of scientific techniques of the present and assumptions of historical science would be needed to estimate the age. There are three critical assumptions that can affect the results during radiometric dating:
The initial conditions of the rock sample are accurately known.
The amount of parent and daughter elements in a sample have not been changed by processes other than radioactive decay.
The decay rate of the parent isotope has remained constant since the rock formed.
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To better understand radiometric dating, an hourglass will be used. We can observe an hourglass with sand at the top and bottom, we could easily calculate how long the hourglass has been running. We could calculate how much time elapsed since the hourglass was turned over, based on our estimations on how fast the sand is falling and measuring the sand on the bottom. Our calculations could be correct, but the result entirely wrong. This is because we failed to include the critical assumptions:
Was there any sand at the bottom when the hourglass was turned over (initial condition)?
Has any sand been added or taken out of the hourglass?
Has the sand always been falling at a constant rate?
Since the initial conditions were not observed, we must make assumptions. All three of these assumptions can affect our time estimates. If the three critical assumptions are not considered, radiometric dating can give incorrect dates.http://creationcrusade.weebly.com/dating-methods.html#:~:text=How%20exactly%20does%20radiometric%20dating
Carazaa · F
@SatanBurger They are guessing! Adam and Eve were a minute old when created and looked 30 years old. The earth is cursed and has rinkles because it looks older than it really is.
Bushranger · 70-79, M
@Carazaa Even before the use of radiometric dating and the theory of evolution, geologists and palaeontologists realised the earth was very old, in the order of millions of years. Of course they were wrong, their estimates were still too young.

Radiometric dating works on ratios. Radioactive isotopes transform into other materials at a fixed and constant rate. By comparing the parent material to the daughter material, an estimation of the age of the rock can be made. When those techniques are applied to large numbers of samples, it's possible to confirm the estimate. Yes, there is a margin of error because of sampling errors and other factors. When we are told that a particular rock is, for example, 63 million years old, that means it is between around 60 million and 66 million years.
@Carazaa So God is trying to fool us?