Can Saved Christians ever lose their Salvation? [Spirituality & Religion]

@Adstar I know Jesus paid for all my sins, past, present, and future.

@Carazaa Indeed He did.. But to continue in salvation one must perservere in Believing Jesus and trusting in the Atonement that he secured to pay for our sins Past, present and future..

@Adstar No I believe what God says that we have to persevere until we are saved, not the other way around. Of course we have to persevere if we are Christians but not that we would lose our salvation if we fall away but so we will have Gods blessings and rewards for being faithful. Jesus promises that "No one can snatch us out of his hand, we are secure" He didn't die for nothing. He died for ALL your sins, not just a few. Did you listen to the sermon?

@Carazaa ""No one can snatch us out of his hand"" Again Jesus was talking about a third party snatching us out of His hand.. demons / fallen angels, satan, satans servants on earth.. He was not talking about the actual believer..

@Adstar NO ONE is [b]NO ONE[/b] including me and you.

@Carazaa The scriptures i gave you in 2 Peter 2 declare different to what you believe.. [b][u]{22} But it is happened unto them [/u][/b]

@Adstar Many people fall away, especially now but they were NEVER saved because when we are saved its NOT by our works but Jesus works [b]ALONE.[/b]

@Carazaa I have never said people are saved by works.. Indeed i have spoken against works salvation on a number of occasions.. But we are saved when We [b][u]believe[/u][/b] Jesus and [b][u]trust[/u][/b] in the Atonement He secured on the cross..

Believing and Trusting are not works.. Faith is not a work.. We must keep Believing, keep trusting persevering in faith till the end of our lives.

@Adstar Please be careful that you aren't adding to your salvation by your actions.

@Adstar [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYCGR7JHekk]

@Adstar Believing is NOT your work but Jesus work. He draws us, and puts his Holy Spirit in our hearts. Its NOT our work ONLY GODS. So we can't boast. "[b]I chose you, you did not chose me[/b] God says.

@Adstar You are relying on your works getting you to heaven and therefore you are adding to your salvation. It is Jesus who saved us from being DEAD in our trespasses, like Lazarus who had been dead for 4 days. I would have lost my salvation a long time ago and so would we all if we can keep our own salvation. No Jesus keeps us safe from ever losing our salvation. Praise the Lord [i]nothing [/i]I can ever do will keep me from heaven. That's why I don't want to sin because I want to make him happy and I want his blessings and I am so grateful He saved me. I can rest in his love for eternity.

@Carazaa Faith is not a Works according to the Bible definition of Works..

Romans 3:27-28 "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. {28} Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

So my Faith is not a Work so saying that i am relying on my works is simply wrong..

@Adstar I believe that Romans 9 teaches that you have faith because God chose you, and saves you. "I chose you, you did [i]not[/i] choose me" I believe God did [i]all[/i] the work including drawing me to himself, and after I was saved I had faith. My faith is a miracle, I can't say I did something and God did something like a cooperation. No God did it ALL! That's why I am so grateful and sing his praises all day.

@Carazaa [b]God's Sovereign Choice[/b]
9 I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— 2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,[a] my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 9 For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11 [b]though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

14 What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God's part? By no means! 15 For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion,[b] but on God, who has mercy. [/b]17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles? 25 As indeed he says in Hosea,

“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’
and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”
26 “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”
Romans 9 Gods Holy Words

@Carazaa Yes i know you're a calvinist Carazza. That has been clear to me for a while since you often use John MacArthur video's who is a staunch calvinist.. I am not a calvinist.. So i do not believe God forces one person to be saved and blocks salvation from another.. The calvinist interpretation of scripture is faulty..

But anyway i don't want to get into a calvinist debate so i will leave this as it is..

@Adstar Its not black or white. Listen to Mcacarthurs 6 min balance between the two. He says both views are hard to grasp with our brains but God knows what he is doing and both are correct. Ill copy it.

@Carazaa [youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEH-X2rP0WM]