Why is atheistic evolution absurd? [Spirituality & Religion]

“It is absurd for the Evolutionist to complain that it is unthinkable for an admittedly unthinkable God to make everything out of nothing, and then pretend that it is more thinkable that nothing should turn itself into everything.”
― G.K. Chesterton

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SatanBurger · 36-40, F

What came before the Big Bang? How to get a Universe from no space, no time, no matter:

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To be devil's advocate I wanted to give out that video aside from my personal opinion which is different. Though to the video narrator's credit, they do ask where these laws came from in the first place and he also states that these forces can probably exist regardless if there was a universe or not, that is the ultimate question. But it does give a good example of how nothing can create something.

At any rate, there's a few problems I have with your view. The one issue about your view is that even if nothing can't create something, you automatically assume it's "your" god or even if it is a god that created everything. We create, are we Gods? Do forces need to be a god to create?

I think when Robert Anton Wilson said that everyone was a pope is technically correct, if we create, we are all gods. I firmly believe this though irrelevant to this conversation. I just don't buy the concept that your version of a god is any more or less incorrect or correct as saying nothing came from something.

Furthermore, the word nothing by itself is a misnomer because nothing means that it is the complete absence of something, there's "nothing" there. But the universe is filled with forces like energy and gravity.

Stars are a good example of this.

If you consider that, nothing can create something probably from the same recycled forces that are out there, including the ones that make you fall off a cliff.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@SatanBurger Sounds like you have an anger toward God more than an understanding of science. The scientific facts are not in your favor.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 You say I have hate because your brand of Christianity is somewhat similar to the Islamic brotherhood. Anyone who doesn't prescribe to your view of god or has a different version or questions assumptions on both sides atheism and theism is an infidel and therefore hates god.

You said "hate god" but what you really mean is "I am not Christian therefore I hate YOUR God" but you'd be incorrect on both accounts, I'm pretty neutral. It really doesn't matter if the universe is god, if some blue eyed, white skinned Fabio version of Jesus is god, Cthulhu or the FSM as god or if nothing really did create us. I produce my opinions based off the arguments given, you obviously don't.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@SatanBurger The idea of a Creator that is greater than you is a stumbling block to you.

SatanBurger · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 Furthermore, if the scientific facts led to the possibility that a god is out there, who says it is god? If there was something, I don't see why that something is specifically your Fabio version of Jesus and not something else. You have the bible but there's 1,000s of other religious texts out there and yes, they would all tell you the same thing.

If this was an alternate reality and let's say Aztecs were the main religion and there was such thing as Evangelical Aztec version of religion, you'd be saying the same thing only with an Aztec version of God.

You may have scientific facts that can be questioned or not but that's besides the point, those scientific facts do not state that your Fabio version of Jesus is correct.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@SatanBurger The God beyond which no other God can exist. The only One that meets that criteria is Yahweh.

Speedyman · 70-79, M

First of course this is total theory and it is totally unproven. Every few years someone comes up with a new theory about how our universe came into existence. But even if we solve the mechanism that does not mean to say we can dispense with the agency. Even if we know how the universe was created does not mean to say I dispense with the Creator. That is total nonsense. Lack same because I know how my car works I can dispense with the guy who designed it. As he said at the end he put the laws there in the first place?@SatanBurger

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@Speedyman It is not a theory. It is what is called a 'scientific fantasy'. There is absolutely no evidence or principle that would cause this to happen. Then of course there is that tiny little fact of intelligent design that simply can not be explained away. There is too much complexity in living forms that can simply not be explained by random chance and circumstance. Even the neo Darwinist evolutionist are starting to admit it. They got together in 2016 to try to explain how complicated things came into existence and couldn't. The concept they debated was the ear. How did the ear evolve since it is a two part thing. It is extremely complex and without the complexity it wouldn't work and how did such a thing get coded into the DNA? (More and more it is being observed that DNA doesn't control physical attributes. You can take a stem cell and put it in the area where there is a liver and it will become a liver cell. No one can explain how that works. The best and most logical theory is that the Universe was created and all life on earth was created by a Super Intelligence All Powerful Being.