To Skeptics Who Believe In Evolution: Where Will Your So Called ‘Science’ Be Then? [Spirituality & Religion]

@SpiritualMan 'false science’ being characterised as..?

@newjaninev2 [quote]false science’ being characterised as..?[/quote]
Anything based on evidence rather than biblical fiction.

@newjaninev2 @Sharon [quote] 'false science’ being characterized as..?[/quote]

The so called 'theory of evolution' which never happened. Darwin had his wires crossed.

@GodSpeed63 You continue to claim that evolution never happened? Remarkable.

Well, OK, let’s revisit the evidence, shall we... that will give you (yet again) the chance to (yet again) run away from the evidence and hide in the corner for a few days before sneaking out (yet again) to make the same ridiculous claim (yet again).

Let’s begin...

@GodSpeed63 Evolution is change over time in the frequency and distribution of alleles.

Nothing complex about that, yet you’re saying that it has never happened... that no such change exists... is that correct?

@GodSpeed63 Evolution is still happening. Its all around you.

@newjaninev2 "Allele" isn't in the Bible, so they don't exist, silly.

@LeopoldBloom

@newjaninev2 Yes, it is simple for someone who doesn't understand the truth of God and shows how simple minded they are on Him and His Word.

@GodSpeed63 Which God are you talking about now?

@GodSpeed63 How fortunate for other creationists that you’re there to act as a [i]locum tenens[/i] for your god. 😀

@SpiritualMan Well, let’s examine some of the evidence and see where it leads us.

Incidentally, I’m not sure why you add the qualifier ‘progressive’... evolution doesn’t progress. In like vein, your use of ‘up to’... but we’ll address that in time.

While we’re preparing the field, what do you mean by 'basic kind’? Surely you’re not relying on Plato’s Essentialism! I assume that you’re not, but it sometimes pays to make sure. Do you understand that artificial selection leading to different breeds [i]isn’t[/i] Evolution by Natural Selection? Again I assume you do, but as I said, it sometimes pays to make sure.

With all that tidied up, let’s begin examining the [i]evidence[/i] that gives rise to the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection, and resultant Common Ancestry.

@newjaninev2 [quote]Well, let’s examine some of the evidence and see where it leads us[/quote]
I think that's scared him off. ;)

@SpiritualMan. "If you wish to converse with me, define your terms.” [i](Voltaire)[/i]

Having done that, we can examine some of the evidence for evolution by natural selection.

So, shall we begin?

@newjaninev2 [quote]Having done that, we can examine some of the evidence for evolution by natural selection.[/quote]

You can't because there is no evidence for evolution by natural selection. Hasn't your eyes and ears told you that yet?

@GodSpeed63 So you’re still claiming that there’s no evidence for evolution? Every time I show you some, you run away (in fact, you ran away only a few days ago).

Let’s try again, shall we?

@newjaninev2 [quote]So you’re still claiming that there’s no evidence for evolution?[/quote]

It's not just a claim, it's the truth that Yahweh has established. One more thing: It's you that runs away, not me.

@GodSpeed63 [b]Let’s see, shall we...[/b]

All species carry ‘silenced’ genes… these are genes that once caused certain proteins to be produced, but now no longer function in the original manner. Such genes are called pseudogenes.

Nearly all mammals have functional genes for expressing an enzyme (L-guluno-γ-lactone oxidase) that allows the production of vitamin C, which is essential for proper metabolism.

I say ‘nearly all mammals’ because primates cannot produce their own vitamin C. In humans, there is a set of four genes that code for vitamin C production. As you may know, these genes are composed of many, many smaller units called nucleotides, so these four genes contain a very large number of such nucleotides (the human genome has 64 billion nucleotides}. The first three genes are fully functional, but the final gene in the sequence has a mutation in [b]a single nucleotide[/b], and this mutation prevents the sequence from completing. That’s why humans need to obtain vitamin C from their food… because the mechanism for producing it has become a pseudogene.

Across all primates (chimpanzees, bononbo, humans, and apes) not only is it the final gene in the sequence that is silenced, but within that gene [b]the same nucleotide[/b] carries the mutation that is responsible.

Now, why would this be?

1. astonishing coincidence

2. when the gods created all the species they put genetic pathways for vitamin C production into all mammals, but then inactivated a single nucleotide from among the four genes necessary for that production, inactivated the same nucleotide in all cases, and did that only in primates. They obviously thought this to be a tremendous joke to play, because we carry around 2,000 such pseudogenes.

3. All mammals developed the ability to produce vitamin C, but around 40 million years ago, in the ancestor common to all primates, that ability was removed by a mutation in a single nucleotide, and the deficit was passed to all primates due to common descent during evolution.

[b]Make your choice[/b]

@newjaninev2 [quote]when the gods created [/quote]

What gods are you talking about? There's only one God who lives forever.

[quote]3. All mammals developed the ability to produce vitamin C, but around 40 million years ago, in the ancestor common to all primates, that ability was removed by a mutation in a single nucleotide, and the deficit was passed to all primates due to common descent during evolution.[/quote]

The earth isn't that old. Mankind and animals may have similar genes but it's still doesn't prove that evolution happened. It just means that animals and humans are living and moving and have their being. As for vitamin C, we've always had it in our systems. It was never developed over time.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Mankind and animals[/quote]

Humans are animals (or are you a vegetable?)

None of which address the questions posed.

You’re simply running away from those questions [i]e.g.[/i] why install the capacity to synthesise vitamin C in all mammals, and then destroy that capacity in all primates?

@GodSpeed63 Let’s push ahead...

All apes except humans have 24 pairs of chromosomes. We humans are the only apes to have 23 pairs.

Evolution made a testable prediction; That somewhere in the human genome we should find evidence of chromosomal fusion. In other words, we should be able to find a fused human chromosome with the remnants of extra telomeres and centromeres.

Since the loss of all the genes in a chromosome would have been fatal to any species, scientists reasoned that if the Theory of Evolution was correct about common ancestry, one of two things must have occurred. Either two chromosomes had fused in humans’ evolutionary past, or chromosomes had split in the other apes. Using 'Occam's Razor’, which states that among competing hypotheses, the simplest explanation is most likely the correct one, the most likely event was chromosome fusion in humans’ ancestors.

Normal chromosomes have a centromere (a chromosomal locus that ensures delivery of one copy of each chromosome to each daughter at cell division.) and ends that are capped with telomeres… think of them as the aglets on shoelaces). It was postulated that if two chromosomes had fused, evidence for such an event would be found in a chromosome with two centromeres and telomeres where they did not belong. That is exactly what was found in human chromosome 2 (chromosomes are numbered by length).

It was subsequently established that the equivalent chimpanzee chromosomes contain the same genes as human chromosome 2 and if placed end to end the positions of those genes match those of the human chromosome. The same chromosomes in all other ape species also line up in the same way…. the fusion event has been confirmed.

Recently we have obtained largely complete genomes of two other human species, those of Neanderthal and Denisovans. We see the same chromosome fusion in their genomes as well, which tells us that the fusion event took place in an ancestor common to all three.

The greatest test of any scientific Theory is in its usefulness as a predictive tool. In this case, as in many others, the Theory of Evolution has delivered.